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Post by BrokenSword on Oct 17, 2008 17:48:13 GMT -6
Gordie "..that serves halfway decent fish and chips..."
Which half?
M
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Post by BrokenSword on Oct 17, 2008 17:51:05 GMT -6
Gordie - "...The polls closed here in BC at 1900 PDT, and the national results were known within about two hours [another minority Conservative government]. ..."
How refreshingly civilized. Did the story of the fight in the retirement home here (over the election, naturally) make it to the news there?
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Post by bc on Oct 17, 2008 20:04:14 GMT -6
And does anyone really believe that the dead people registered to vote by some ACORN canvassers will actually show up to vote, thereby creating "voter fraud" instead of "registration fraud?" Same with Mickey Mouse and S. Uperman and B Atman. Does one not have to produce identification in order to receive a ballot, as well as being on the voter list? In Canada, where we just had our general election, voters are required to provide "official" photo ID, or may alternatively tender two pieces of signature ID - one of which must contain a current address. The polls closed here in BC at 1900 PDT, and the national results were known within about two hours [another minority Conservative government]. Mickey Mouse may not be able to vote here but he has received my write in vote more than once to enable him to be elected to hold office. Mickey Mouse can do better than some of the election choices we get.
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Post by clw on Oct 17, 2008 20:42:15 GMT -6
As well as the smallest. I am relieved beyond words Gordie, that I'm not the only person who did not know the extent of this. Am I the only small business in the US still operating on a cash basis? We ARE getting an education, if nothing else.
As to fights in the retirement homes -- vote early folks. I think it's gonna be scary out there on Election Day.
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Post by biggordie on Oct 18, 2008 1:28:26 GMT -6
Michael:
Nah for the retirement home fight story - didn't make CNN either, unless I missed it. We were busy locally with a kidnapping trial, two bombings at a pipeline in northern BC [maybe by indigenous peoples, maybe not], the call for an enquiry into the deaths of three workers [and two more in comas] at a local mushroom farm [don't tell Ruth] and assorted other shootings - including the accidental death of a 13 year old at the hands of one of his 13 year old friends playing cops and robbers, or maybe Custer and the Indians with a pellet gun.
bc:
You got that right brother - and it's the same up here, and maybe everywhere for that matter. A lot of these clowns are about as smart as the pens used by cartoonists. I was once arrested for "electioneering" on voting day [it's against the law up here] when I stood outside my local polling place with a sign that read "Tear up your ballot and stick it in the box - don't encourage any of them by voting." Of course, the authorities had to release me when one of the candidates, who happened to be a lawyer [most up here seem to be lawyers], pointed out that encouraging people to either vote or not vote could hardly be construed as electioneering, which by definition required the fostering of one candidate or party, not the condemnation of all. I was so taken by his actions that I almost voted for him the next election.
clw:
You might well be, although I think there is someone in Oregon who actually financed his own business with his own money, and operates it the same way. Might just be a rumor,,,,,,,,
Gordie the Plumber
PS Ya gotta watch out for the silver-haired 80 year olds with canes and those clunky thick-heeled shoes that they wear with their support hose, especially the females - who show no mercy. One of them beat the crap out of me because I was too slow in moving my wheeled walker out of her way [when I was in the rehab center 34 years ago]. I wuz gonna look her up, but thought better of it when one of the physios told me that she was the unchallenged champion of the third floor. I still walk funny, but claim it is the result of saddle bronc riding.
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Post by BrokenSword on Oct 18, 2008 9:50:08 GMT -6
Clw - “…As well as the smallest. I am relieved beyond words Gordie, that I'm not the only person who did not know the extent of this. Am I the only small business in the US still operating on a cash basis?…”
No, but you are one of the very few. The entire system is based on credit. Probably 99% of ALL companies (of any size) have a line of credit established with some lending institution or another. Even the largest find that it’s cheaper to borrow operating capital, and use their own money in another way. Usually invested in some venture that promises a greater return. It’s almost nuts. In short if you can get a 7.5% (or greater) return on an investment of your earnings, then why use it on a payroll that you can borrow short term, and pay 5% interest on?
There are of course many other reasons that a small business (all the way down to the size of self-employed) might want a short term loan, not just for payroll.
M
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Post by bc on Oct 18, 2008 11:03:25 GMT -6
Gordie, here you can be arrested for wearing a t-shirt with a candidate name on it and technically & legally you can't park your car too close to a polling site if you have a candidate bumper sticker on it.
bc, who would switch to being a plumber if they, like Joe the plumber claimed, was in the greater than a quarter million dollar tax bracket. My plunger is ready and waiting. I'm used to cleaning up crappy messes.
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Post by BrokenSword on Oct 19, 2008 6:06:37 GMT -6
clansman - "...She must have been part English...."
It may have well been so. She only bested me 3 of 5 times in the arm wrestling tournament.
BS
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Post by markland on Feb 2, 2009 11:25:57 GMT -6
<snip> I further believe that Custer knew that Benteen was back on the main trail, from the visible dust of his column and from the report brought by Boston Custer [whether or not Martin ran into him doesn't really matter] who had been seen by several witnesses passing Benteen's column on the trail. He, Custer, also would have been aware that the pack train was BEHIND Benteen - from Boston. It would be unbelievable, to me, that Boston would get a fresh horse from the remuda with the packs, pass Benteen on the trail, and not inform his big brother of same, especially if you are one of those who credits the "informal command structure" of the regiment. Cooke had been around for a while, was an experienced officer and adjutant, had more than half a brain and was a Canadian to boot [in addition, not to kick]. There is not much likelihood that he filtered Custer's words, except perhaps to clean up the language a bit, since Canadians usually do as told and say "Yes, sir" every other phrase [when not apologizing to someone for some imagined slight]. As I said - FWIW Gordie I'll refrain from observations about Canadians but point out something I read in Graham's abstract of the RCOI this morning and confirmed via the on-line transcription also. Q. Did you go to the top of that high point? A. No sir - nobody but the Indian Scouts, Q. Did not you and Gen. Custer go to the top of it? A, No, sir. Q. Who was with Gen. Custer at that time on the hill? A. His brothers and his nephew. Q. Were those all round him at that time? A. Yes sir. Q. Every once in a while he would send a message to the companies? A. Yes sir. If that is not a mistake in the transcription and the abstract (Graham did both), the implication is that Boston was already up with GAC's column. If anyone else has another transcription of the RCOI, can you verify that passage for me? Thanks, Billy
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Post by biggordie on Feb 2, 2009 12:29:34 GMT -6
Billy: It looks accurate to me [I'm pretty sure there was an "s" on the end], but whether or not the testimony was is another matter. Martin might have thought that Autie Reed was another brother [or not]. It is a pretty good argument against the "meeting Boston on the way back" scenario, but does not affect what Custer could see, or when he could see it.
Gordie
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Post by markland on Feb 2, 2009 15:12:42 GMT -6
Billy: It looks accurate to me [I'm pretty sure there was an "s" on the end], but whether or not the testimony was is another matter. Martin might have thought that Autie Reed was another brother [or not]. It is a pretty good argument against the "meeting Boston on the way back" scenario, but does not affect what Custer could see, or when he could see it. Gordie Reed was the first one who popped in my mind, then I reread the statement and he said "brothers and nephew" which seems to include Reed I did ruminate whether he meant Calhoun but for the life of me, I can't picture him calling Calhoun anything but Captain Calhoun. It was just something interesting I picked up; now to find out who, in Benteen's column I believe, stated he saw Reed Boston pass them. And you are right, it doesn't impact what GAC saw from that hill, only perhaps the time-lines. Billy
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Post by Dark Cloud on Feb 2, 2009 16:50:29 GMT -6
Gee. Glad you picked that up. It's been screamed about for a couple of years now, although only Stewart notes that Martin didn't mention Boston at the RCOI, which in aggregate is fairly convincing. Plus, the switch between Benteen and Boston mentioning his horse was wounded, and back again.
When this was raised before, someone - hard to say who - assured us that the 's' was a mistake.
It would be curious who saw Reed pass them in Benteen's column.
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Post by markland on Feb 3, 2009 6:58:08 GMT -6
Gee. Glad you picked that up. It's been screamed about for a couple of years now, although only Stewart notes that Martin didn't mention Boston at the RCOI, which in aggregate is fairly convincing. Plus, the switch between Benteen and Boston mentioning his horse was wounded, and back again. When this was raised before, someone - hard to say who - assured us that the 's' was a mistake. It would be curious who saw Reed pass them in Benteen's column. Glad you approve. Now, my day is made. But, after listening to you caterwauling for years about the legitimacy of Martin's statement about seeing Boston Custer, it was a sort of relief to discover that you may have had a fact on your side rather than opinion. Also, you know that, heretofore, I haven't had any overwhelming interest in the Custer-Cluster but, unfortunately, I felt that it was time to read the source books. Those include WCF, the RCOI (just finished Graham's abstract), The Custer Myth, The Arikaree Narratives, and Hardorff's books (to name only the few I can think of with only one cup of coffee in me.) After those, perhaps I will go to the books containing the opinions of the authors such as Jim's book, Red Sabbath, Unger's book, Kuhlman's book and about five thousand others. Later, Billy
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Post by Dark Cloud on Feb 3, 2009 7:37:21 GMT -6
Actually, Markland, when my posts are read and not just half soberly skimmed for key words for unthinking auto-response by weak and instant near-coffee from Kansan Kwicki Mart, there's often a great deal of referenced fact behind the opinions. (For example, the RCOI on the Martin-Boston nonmeeting, along with the mutually supporting Benteen and Martin testimony.) When there is not, I cheerfully say 'no way to prove' it. When I'm wrong, I cheerfully fess up.
Cheerful! That's me. You try it. If you say Reed when you mean Boston, that's an error confusing to newbies. So, if it were me, I'd correct that, admit it, make a therapy appointment (progress is being recorded...), and move on. No biggee, but the correction should be made. That.
Go on, try it. It works for me. Mr. Warmth.
On a less enjoyable front, it's amusing watching the Boston-Martin non-meeting pass into conventional wisdom on this and other boards with no reference to the reactions that greeted initial contentions back in the day. It screws up the time lines, but few have as yet noticed. mcaryf's theories - and others' - don't work without it.
You're welcome.
Glad you're finally reading A Terrible Book, since you've defended it. Before you start, please note the contentions against Ward Churchill sometimes apply to Donovan's work: copious notes of dubious value to imply but not include actual added fact or, sometimes, support for his text. He states contested opinion as fact, which not even Connell does. Then, the actual errors. Then the unknowable and unimportant 'facts' he corrects, like the Custer wounds. And the ones he does not, like the Kellogg note.
Keep tissue handy for the heart wrenching imagined dance at the end. Spoiler Alert: Custer dies. Except......in our hearts.
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Post by markland on Feb 3, 2009 7:48:31 GMT -6
Actually, Markland, when my posts are read and not just half soberly skimmed for key words for unthinking auto-response by weak and instant near-coffee from Kansan Kwicki Mart, there's often a great deal of referenced fact behind the opinions. (For example, the RCOI on the Martin-Boston nonmeeting, along with the mutually supporting Benteen and Martin testimony.) When there is not, I cheerfully say 'no way to prove' it. When I'm wrong, I cheerfully fess up. Cheerful! That's me. You try it. If you say Reed when you mean Boston, that's an error confusing to newbies. So, if it were me, I'd correct that, admit it, make a therapy appointment (progress is being recorded...), and move on. No biggee, but the correction should be made. That. Go on, try it. It works for me. Mr. Warmth. On a less enjoyable front, it's amusing watching the Boston-Martin non-meeting pass into conventional wisdom on this and other boards with no reference to the reactions that greeted initial contentions back in the day. It screws up the time lines, but few have as yet noticed. mcaryf's theories - and others' - don't work without it. You're welcome. Glad you're finally reading A Terrible Book, since you've defended it. Before you start, please note the contentions against Ward Churchill sometimes apply to Donovan's work: copious notes of dubious value to imply but not include actual added fact or, sometimes, support for his text. He states contested opinion as fact, which not even Connell does. Then, the actual errors. Then the unknowable and unimportant 'facts' he corrects, like the Custer wounds. And the ones he does not, like the Kellogg note. Keep tissue handy for the heart wrenching imagined dance at the end. Spoiler Alert: Custer dies. Except......in our hearts. I haven't finished "scanning" your stream-of-consciousness post but the portion I did "scan" indicated you spotted an error on my post. Many thanks for pointing it out. Now, maybe, well sometime, I'll go and finish "scanning" to see if you were as gracious on my mistake as Crab was on your mathematical error. Billy
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