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Post by quincannon on Jul 1, 2011 16:19:41 GMT -6
Thanks Britt. I have never been there myself. One of the guys on the Alamo Board has visted there several times and says that it has this feeling of haunted, much like the Alamo and LBH. Think I will make my visit in the later part of fall some day. Don't like the heat all that much. Who runs the place - The State of Oklahoma?
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Post by wild on Jul 1, 2011 17:04:58 GMT -6
Wild: Blacksmiths and Farriers old son. Banging on one piece of metal is just like another, isn't it? You could have a point.I mean army barbers also doubled as brain surgeons.Probably with similar results as the farrier/armourers.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 1, 2011 20:21:01 GMT -6
Wild: You have it the other way around The brain surgeons double as barbers. They really cut hair close on the side.
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Post by fred on Jul 1, 2011 21:18:09 GMT -6
... army barbers also doubled as brain surgeons.Probably with similar results as the farrier/armourers. Wild, you crack me up! Sort of reminds me of Stephen Maturin operating on the gunner's skull and inserting a silver shilling... or guinea. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on Jul 2, 2011 15:14:23 GMT -6
Has anyone heard of these men: ... Ian, This should help you: Crp T Hagan (E Coy)—Hagan was an E Company corporal who also used the name, Eagan. He was killed at the LBH, either on the South Skirmish Line or in Deep Ravine. His body was never identified. Trp W Huber (E Coy)—Huber was a private in Company E, and also went by the name, William Hieber. His body was found in Deep Ravine and identified by PVT Frank Berwald. Trp H Jones (I Coy)—The only “H. Jones” at the battle was Henry P. Jones, a private in Company I. He was born in Lancaster, Pennsylvania (the land of the Amish), and survived the battle. He had been assigned to the pack train and made and fought on Reno Hill. It is unknown where and when he died. Trp J Duggan (L Coy)—John F. Duggan was a private in L Company and was killed at the LBH. He was also known as John L. Crowley. He is an interesting case, because he may have been one of the four riders reputed to have attempted to ride off Battle/Custer Ridge. Boots with the initials, “J. D.” were found in Deep Coulee, though there were several men with similar initials and the boots were so disfigured there are some who believe the initials were actually, “J. B.” for James Butler. Some claim these four riders were killed near Deep Ravine, not Deep Coulee. Interesting speculation. Trp P McHugh (L Coy)—Philip McHugh was a private in Company L, and was assigned to the pack train. He fought on Reno Hill and survived the battle. He died in Allentown, Pennsylvania, in 1910. Hope this all helps you, Ian. And by the way, it is all contained in that book my friend “BC” is so shamelessly promoting for me. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by El Crab on Jul 2, 2011 16:33:43 GMT -6
I eagerly await your book, Fred. Everytime I read your little tidbits in these threads it makes me anxious for the availability of the whole shebang.
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Post by fred on Jul 2, 2011 17:18:56 GMT -6
I eagerly await your book, Fred. Everytime I read your little tidbits in these threads it makes me anxious for the availability of the whole shebang. Oh, Crab, my boy! It is on the distant horizon. The time-line is complete; the publisher said he is on board; it only remains to be completed. Heaven only knows when I will be able to do that, but I am hoping it is within the next two months. Lots of details; and I think it is going to be a fairly big book. I will tell you this... it will be extremely controversial, especially if it is half-way decent and reaches a fairly large and knowledgeable audience. There is stuff in there that will spin your eyes. It isn't bogus theorizing; everything is supported by some sort of evidence or narrative. What drives it however, is the time-line. DC has brought this up about Indian narratives and the time-line supports a good deal of what he says... very interesting. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Jul 4, 2011 4:17:27 GMT -6
Thanks Fred, if your book is as good as the info you have given me, it will be worth waiting for. Regards Ian.
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Post by fred on Jul 4, 2011 8:33:32 GMT -6
You may be more pleased than you think, Ian. [Boast, boast!] All of that is in it and a lot more. It is particularly weighted toward the Indian side of things, and while not as complete as I would make it were I writing it today [see the Second Edition, dated 2015], there's enough in there to make your mind buzz for quite some time. It is also quite readable... I think.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Jul 5, 2011 3:57:57 GMT -6
I have my eye on it Fred, I am 53 in about three weeks and I am working the missus to buy it as a Birthday gift, it that fails I will have to purchase it myself, sorry to nic-pic over names and totals, its not like I am trying to soak you of info with your book coming out, but the only way I can describe it, as being constipated for years and all of a sudden there's a big release, I have had so many questions stored away in my head, and only now I can find answers for them. Regards Ian.
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Post by bc on Jul 12, 2011 15:15:16 GMT -6
BC, which bus were you on? I don't think any of my bus went outside, let alone on the trail. Terry, I know the busses that received the morning orations were outside under the shelter. It was hot out that day (105+) nd if you were there after lunch then cooler heads may have prevailed and you did yours from the bus. We were on the second bus and first of the two that left at 8:30. We arrived at the Custer lookout while the 7:30 departing bus was receiving the oration by the park stranger under the shelter. We walked to the river during that time and got back to hear the end of the oration for our bus. Then we went to lunch for the scraps of barbeque beef on a minature bun. After lunch we went back to the lookout to pick up Sandy Barnard and were then the last bus to arrive at and leave the visitor center. Melanie switched busses after lunch and rode with us. We had a nice conversation. Guess I never heard anything before about her husband dying recently. It was a great loss for her and we were sorry to hear about it. The visitor center is where I met Greg Michno and after seeing his book at the bookstore advised Mel's friend of his presence where he got to autograph all their books while he was there. I asked him something about White Cow Bull in his Lakota Noon book and his response was that he didn't remember as it has been about ten years since he has last looked at the book. He lives in a suburb of Boulder, of all places, so that splains everything. bc
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