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Post by harpskiddie on Oct 8, 2007 16:39:59 GMT -6
Or Roger Clemens. What is he making? Like a million a start? How much per win? And don't give me that crap about the dressing room and tutor to the younger guys - at the end of the day, they pay off on wins, not attitude or knowledge!!
Thank you for bearing with me during my senescence...............................
Gordie, a friend in need is called a credit card company, or mortgage lender............................................
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Post by fred on Oct 8, 2007 17:52:08 GMT -6
Gordonski--
I don't really disagree, but what Steinbrenner does with his money is his business. Clemens has given them a couple of good starts and who would have won those games instead? Certainly not Mussina. At this point in his career, Mussina is a 25% pitcher. Maybe 20%. One in four, one in five. The conundrum with this team is-- and always will be-- Rodriguez. You can't rely on a guy all season long and then he deserts you in the pinch. I feel sorry for him. He certainly isn't collapsing intentionally. Jeter, Abreu, Matsui, and Cano-- and my favorite, Melky Cabrera-- will always come through one way or another, but the glue to the offense is Rodriguez.
Still in all, it comes down to the pitching. That will change next year when they sign the best pitcher in baseball: Don Johan, the Banana from Santana. Now that's a guy who can pitch!
Best wishes, Branch Ricky
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Post by mwkeogh on Oct 8, 2007 18:39:01 GMT -6
Gordonski-- I don't really disagree, but what Steinbrenner does with his money is his business. Clemens has given them a couple of good starts and who would have won those games instead? Certainly not Mussina. At this point in his career, Mussina is a 25% pitcher. Maybe 20%. One in four, one in five. The conundrum with this team is-- and always will be-- Rodriguez. You can't rely on a guy all season long and then he deserts you in the pinch. I feel sorry for him. He certainly isn't collapsing intentionally. Jeter, Abreu, Matsui, and Cano-- and my favorite, Melky Cabrera-- will always come through one way or another, but the glue to the offense is Rodriguez. Still in all, it comes down to the pitching. That will change next year when they sign the best pitcher in baseball: Don Johan, the Banana from Santana. Now that's a guy who can pitch! Best wishes, Branch Ricky News Flash from the Front: Lt. Wang has suffered a severe setback early in the battle and has been forced to retire from the field. Capt. Mussina has arrived at the front in an attempt to stabilize the skirmish line which is threatening to collapse. The 7th is currently mobilizing their reserve mounted units in preparation for a stunning counter attack that will rout the Indians from the field. Will report when the next telegraph report comes in from the field.
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Post by fred on Oct 8, 2007 19:29:28 GMT -6
Yeah, picture this: the Yankees leave 2 guys on in the first; bases loaded in the 2nd; runner in scoring position in the 3rd. Some offense, huh? XXX-Wang. The guy hasn't had a 1-2-3 inning in six weeks.
[cough, cough... gasp, gasp...]
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Post by mwkeogh on Oct 8, 2007 20:08:59 GMT -6
Yeah, picture this: the Yankees leave 2 guys on in the first; bases loaded in the 2nd; runner in scoring position in the 3rd. Some offense, huh? XXX-Wang. The guy hasn't had a 1-2-3 inning in six weeks. [ cough, cough... gasp, gasp...] Just in from the Telegraph Office: Capt. Mussina has been hit hard and has been taken to the field hospital. He has now been replaced on the line by Lt. Farnsworth. The skirmish line has suffered heavy casualties from the Indians who seem to have gotten hold of a cache of winchesters. The reserve force is under heavy fire and cannot yet seem to mount a counter-attack. Things are starting to look serious.
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Post by mwkeogh on Oct 8, 2007 20:59:03 GMT -6
Newsflash: Its now the 8th Inning, down 6-3. The Yankees have been ordered to shoot their horses and make their final stand. A message had been sent back earlier for reinforcements...."Come on. Big Village. Be Quick." A-Rod has fired off a volley that should be heard for miles. Will their support arrive in time to save the day? Time is running out.
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Post by mwkeogh on Oct 12, 2007 1:15:45 GMT -6
Well, its all over now. The Trish's Cubbies have gone down in 3 and crzhrs' Bosox still have a shot at getting to the series. But America's team, the pride of the Major Leagues, has been massacred to the last man by a band of hostile Indians. There lying in irregular order, on a barren hillside, lie the mangled remains of the NY Yankees. When Trish & Gordie first got the news, Trish said, "Oh, how white they look!" while Gordie spit a stream of tobacco juice at the feet of General Torre and said, "There he is, damn him....he will manage no more."
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Post by Tricia on Oct 12, 2007 6:54:13 GMT -6
So I'm guessing Torre definitely isn't managing no more (in Yankeetown)! If there was definitive news, it happened up in Monroe, where the only news was about the upcoming UAW strike against Plymouth. Steinbrenner is such a damn moron ... he gonna fire A-Rod, too (can that guy even carry a bat the right way in the post-season)? And since Piniella's otherwise occupied for another two years (or until he gets canned by the new Cubs' owners), I'm guessing it's gonna be Giraldi?
Go, Rockies! Go, Sox!
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Post by harpskiddie on Oct 12, 2007 9:01:10 GMT -6
There are only two basic requirements for being hired as a Major League manager:
1) You must have already been a manager and been fired at least twice, or
2) You must be a minor leaguer of whom nobody has heard. It also helps if you have never played in the majors, and is even better if you've never played in the pros. It gives the sportscasters and writers something to yak about.
My opinion is that anyone who has watched baseball for more than, say, five or six years, and is at least a lukewarm student of the statistical part of the game, could effectively manage in the bigs [the only problem being the acceptance of the players]. Managers might make a difference in a dozen or so ball games a year, but it is often not a positive difference.
The big thing is managing the pitching staff [and having one].
Gordie, here's Erskine's first pitch - Ball One!! [it's okay, Carl, baby, hum it in there]; Ball Two [hey, Carl, give him the funny one]; Ball Three [you the man, Carl]; Ball Four [get the bum outta there!!!]
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Post by Tricia on Oct 12, 2007 9:35:53 GMT -6
Oh, the other big requirement is ... if you did play in the bigs, being a catcher helps one snag that job. Yep, good managers were generally career minor leaguers or very tepid ones in The Show. Of course, Piniella, Torre, and Frank Robinson are exceptions to that rule ...
Just after the minor league season ended, Cubs HOFer Ryne Sandberg announced he was ready to manage in the majors--this after one season managing the Peoria Chiefs (our A team)--perhaps he can get a job with the Evil Empire!
--t.
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Post by harpskiddie on Oct 12, 2007 11:03:30 GMT -6
You are right, Trish - having been a catcher does seem to help, particularly if one had been a reserve catcher. It's the long stay in the majors, coupled with time on the bench to studify the game.
Gordie, there should be laughter after pain; there should be sunshine after rain; these things have always been the same - so why worry now?.................................................
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Post by crzhrs on Oct 12, 2007 12:36:05 GMT -6
It seems many great managers were marginal players. Dick Williams ('67 Red Sox & Oakland Athletics) comes to mind, along with Earl Weaver.
Some of the biggest flops have been star players: Ted Williams and Frank Robinson, probably because they couldn't understand why their players were not as motivated as themselves or the ability to excel.
Terry Francona of the Red Sox was a marginal player and brought a World Series to Boston in 04 and the team is back in the ALCS this year, along with the unknown manager for the Indians.
Knowing your players' ability, managing them psychologically, understanding the game, and of course having some good players makes the difference.
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Post by Tricia on Oct 12, 2007 14:16:16 GMT -6
Hey, Crazzzie ...
Hope your Red Sox are up to tonight's task! How cold is it up at Fenway?
--t.
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Post by crzhrs on Oct 15, 2007 8:43:36 GMT -6
Well after Saturday Night's Massacre by the Indians over the BoSox we move on to "Indian Territory." Could be quite "hostile" there . . . the Sox will need to hold out better than they did in the extra inning game or there'll be more red on their uniforms than their Sox.
Dice K will however thwart his "distant" relatives by making a stand. Look out for Big Papi and Manny Being Manny in this game.
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Post by Tricia on Oct 15, 2007 12:25:57 GMT -6
Crazy--
I don't know how you folks on the East Coast do it. That game on Saturday went on, and on, and on, and on ... I finally packed it in when the Tribe scored the first three runs in the eleventh. It was like 12.50 here in Central Time ... I love baseball and am already having withdrawl symptoms, but man, that was too long! I'll try to catch some Dice-K tonight before critique group. Go, Sox!
On the NL side, I'm thinking the Rox are gonna get out the brooms tonight, that is, if Denver isn't covered with snow! Tulowitski is the bomb--I am sure he is gonna win ROY, hands down. I wonder if AZ is gonna go with Webb; after all, there is no tomorrow!
--t.
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