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Post by Dark Cloud on Oct 4, 2011 8:21:43 GMT -6
Wild and yantaylor apparently don't get the story at all. Mrs. Nash, whatever she/he was, wasn't a soldier. Hence, her presence at base as a laundress and her internment after death at the base by the laundress brood and not in the field with Custer.
Noonan, her last Significant Other, is the guy in the photo behind Col. Ludlow. Noonan was a soldier. Bloody Knife on the left.
Custer initially claimed this as a grizzly, but it isn't. Ludlow said (I think Ludlow) it was a Cinnamon Bear, which is just a black bear with red fur. Well, that and they don't hibernate, I'm told. The thought of being tracked by a 500 pound bear through deep snow has always discouraged my use of snow shoes.
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Post by cefil on Oct 4, 2011 12:20:59 GMT -6
and her internment after death... I disagree (cordially) with Mr. Cloud's assertion here. I am strongly enamored of the opinion that Mrs. Nash was buried, not confined, after her death. Thus it was the place of his/her interment, not his/her internment, that provides the clue to his/her non-soldierhood. cefil
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Post by Dark Cloud on Oct 4, 2011 12:33:05 GMT -6
Stand corrected.
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Post by quincannon on Oct 4, 2011 14:53:37 GMT -6
I also disagree (cordially) with Dark (as we are on a first name basis). He/she was buried or intered not on a base, but rather a post.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Oct 4, 2011 20:58:51 GMT -6
Stand corrected.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 6, 2011 5:41:19 GMT -6
I stand corrected. She/he was attached to the 7th Cavalry as a laundress, not a Soldier. I was replying in jest to Richards’s humorous comments.
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Post by wild on Oct 7, 2011 16:11:23 GMT -6
The scale of the photo is very odd.My guess is that the photo was taken in a studio using various props a cardboard background and a stuffed bear. Bloody Knife has a face on him like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle. Must have known he was next for the chop.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 9, 2011 9:16:05 GMT -6
Richard, you’re a street corner Shakespeare.
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Post by ulan on May 7, 2012 3:56:56 GMT -6
Was company C marching on the end of Custer column?
I thought that men and horses were a bit exhausted after the night march. Is it not possible that some reasons why the messengers need different times and also why not every messenger get back to his own troop after his mission was because of the different shapes of their horses ? Martini´s horse was wounded and so it is understandable that he was not sending back in the same minute. Maybe Kanipe´s horse were also more exhausted then he thought when he starts his mission. His ride takes longer because of his exhausted horse and so when he meet Benteen he were ordered to line up in his troop and Benteen send another messenger instead to the pack train who had a horse in better shape.
I find it unlikely that a NCO could possibly just leave the column without permission and unobserved by all men behind him in the column. He couldn´t know that Custers battalion will be wiped out later and so he had to have in mind that some question will be arise about his leaving and why he didn´t come back. So that wouldn´t be a smart plan cause as it mentioned allready in this thread, he couldn´t know what was coming next and if his place in the other battalion was more save or more dangerous. If he had leave the battlefield at all ok, but he didn´t.
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Post by Dark Cloud on May 7, 2012 8:40:17 GMT -6
The end of a company's column WAS an NCO put there to prevent people slithering away and to keep the unit tight up. It was usually a sergeant. We don't know how the five units with Custer were organized, we can only make reasonable guesses.
Kanipe's story changed and became embellished as the years passed. So did Martin's. That's a warning sign. At least two Co. C - Tom Custer's unit - fell out to the rear, maybe four. It's suspicious.
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Post by wild on May 7, 2012 9:19:20 GMT -6
Was Custer's battalion the only unit out of which troopers fell or better still fell out of?
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Post by fred on May 7, 2012 10:20:55 GMT -6
Was Custer's battalion the only unit out of which troopers fell or better still fell out of? "Troopers," yes. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on May 7, 2012 10:36:19 GMT -6
The end of a company's column WAS an NCO put there to prevent people slithering away and to keep the unit tight up. This is 100% correct. Actually, five. That includes an entire set-of-four... suspicious, indeed. I would hazard a guess that the Watson drop-out from that set was legit, and possibly Thompson, as well. The Brennan and Fitzgerald duo were absolutely malingerers and were the butt of barracks jokes well after the battle, Brennan spending as much time in jail-- 500 days in three years-- than out of it, and finally being dishonorably discharged in 1879. That was the full set. The fifth was a fellow named Morris Farrar, a 30-year old Australian native and American Civil War vet whose horse gave out very early along Reno Creek. His dropping back was considered legit, and it was probably Farrar's falling out that gave the others the idea, especially Fitzgerald and Brennan. For those very few who have ever noticed this "coincidence" of the full set-of-four dropping out, it further sullies Thompson's credibility, especially too since Brennan, Thompson, and Watson all had under a year's service, while Fitzgerald was well into his fourth enlistment... a professional malingerer. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by steve1956 on May 7, 2012 10:56:03 GMT -6
Very interesting info...Thanks,Fred......That does NOT sound like a coincidence........
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Post by ulan on May 7, 2012 11:12:11 GMT -6
If the most men who fell back with exhausted horses or of others reasons came out of the company C, then that would be suspicious if company C was indeed on the end of the column. Thats why i asked.
Thompson mentioned that NCO Finckle was on the end of his company and watched Watson´s problem with his horse. Dos that not mean that probably Finckle was the NCO who was put on the end of the company column?
That would be in contradiction to what Kanipe said that he was with Finckle on the top of the column near Tom Custer.
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