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Post by Diane Merkel on Mar 18, 2007 12:51:56 GMT -6
Ignatz Stungewicz of C Company was from there--whilst it was still part of Russia. Trish -- just curious -- why did you choose Ignatz Stungewicz for one of your essays? I'm glad you did, but I'm wondering if you read something that intrigued you or the name caught your eye or what . . . ?
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Post by Tricia on Mar 18, 2007 16:51:01 GMT -6
Diane--
I'm afraid it's gonna be a mighty short essay ... but it's because he was the sole Russian in the Seventh, though his name seems to harken back to the time when German immigration to Mother Rus during the reign of Catherine the Great was popular--and supposedly necessary to make the Imperial government/bureaucracy work more effectively. I'm guessing he came to the US whilst Alexander II started pulling back a bit on his reforms in the 1870s.
Ignatz didn't leave a huge footprint, but the reasons he might have come to New York and then fought with the Seventh are certainly intriguing ... at least to me. But that might be difficult to discern, given the slender record of his existence.
--t.
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Post by harpskiddie on Mar 18, 2007 17:06:57 GMT -6
Frank:
Yes, I would mind. Most of the titles are lengthy, and learned, and like that, and I don't know what many of them are about. Well, most of them, actually.
My problem was that I could always right more better than I could reed, so that the net effect was that I couldn't hardly rede enything what I writ. They is entitittled, howsomever.
The first three wuz:
English As She Is Spoke, a basik edumacation toole for them what needs English for ther secind or thurd linguidge.
Threw The Alimentary Canal With Gun And Camera, being the farflung adventures of a farflung band of intrepid adventurerers in the Amazoonian Basin and Bathtub.
Last Weeke I Couldnt Even Spell Enjinere and Now I Are One - advansed edumacashun for them what wasn't learned proper in Primairie Skule.
Regards to you my Finnish Friend, Well aquaintinse, well feller borde member.
Harper,
Master Wordsmith, Poet Extraordinaire and General All-Around Tipler
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Post by BrokenSword on Mar 18, 2007 17:49:23 GMT -6
Trish -
Here's a long shot. Maybe your Russian's reasons for being here had something to do with the grand tour that Alexis had made and that Custer escorted him on (at least partly).
There was no KGB at that time so that couldn't have been it.
Michael
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Post by fred on Mar 18, 2007 18:29:34 GMT -6
Trish, my dear!
When old Ygnatz-baby was born-- 1847-- most of what we see today as Poland was actually Russian. That included Warsaw. The Russian Empire had a salient that extended west between Prussia and the Austrian Empire. The southern end of that salient began some few miles north and east of Lemberg (today's Lvov) and extended west, just above Krakow (both Lemberg and Krakow were part of the Austrian Empire), kept going for a few miles, then turned north to form a rather circuitous route along the Prussian frontier. East of Posen (Prussia) it began its swing back east, skirted what we now know as East Prussia, and ended at the Baltic along East Prussia's northern border.
If you get a good, detailed map of modern-day Poland, find Warsaw. Trace the Vistula (Wisla) River south, below Pulowy. Keep going south a little bit more until you see a city called OSTROWIEC SWIETOKRZYSKI (hey... you can't make this stuff up!). This berg is about 18 miles WEST of the river. About 5 miles farther west is a village named Kunow (aka, Bingo!). That's were our intrepid "Russian" was from (as best I can determine). It's not all that small and if I am not mistaken it is considered a "secondary" administrative capital-- obviously, regional. In 1999 the population was somewhere between 10,000 and 50,000.
Sorry I can't get more specific than that.
Incidentally, your guess of "Kuuno" being Finnish was a good one. That's what I would have thought.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Mar 18, 2007 20:16:04 GMT -6
Trish, that's interesting. I hope you are able to put a few more pieces of the story together, especially with Grand Expert Fred's help.
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Post by Tricia on Mar 18, 2007 20:20:45 GMT -6
Fred--
Yikes ... I'm Prussian as well, on the mother's side. Her mother's surname was Scheer, as in von Scheer (she married into the family). And yes, until the end of WWI, a big chunk of Poland was a principality (I believe) of Russia--or a Grand Duchy. Something like that. A famous (dark in many, many ways) hunting lodge for the Tsar was in Spala ... I'm sure Diane can chime in from here, with all the relevant stories of Imperial Horror. Rasputin comes to mind.
I've seen Kunow spelled with two "u" s ... so the guess was Finn. Thanks for the head's up!
--t.
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Post by fred on Mar 19, 2007 4:53:22 GMT -6
Trish--
I'm sorry... I should have added that the name "Stungewitz" is really Polish, not Russian.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on Mar 19, 2007 5:03:41 GMT -6
Trish--
That's interesting. There was a German admiral named Scheer, I think WWI, since in WWII they had an "armored ship" named the Admiral Scheer. The ship was part of the armada, Marinegruppenkommando Nord (Carls), under command of Vizeadmiral Schmundt, used in support of the German Army Group North under FM Ritter von Leeb in June 1941 during the invasion of Russia. This was the "Baltic Fleet." The more famous Tirpitz, which you may have heard of, was also part of that fleet.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on Mar 19, 2007 5:06:36 GMT -6
Trish--
Again, yes, 2 "u"'s was the only way I had seen it as well. And without the "w." But you have heard the stories about how names and places got fouled up when immigrants wandered over here, so I am sure this village was no exception.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Frank on Mar 19, 2007 8:06:02 GMT -6
...I just gotta ask this... has anyone one of you ever come across with a Finn when you have read about the history of the West? Do you ever remember reading about any Finn in anywhere...? I'm just curious about my country men... there was one Finn in Custers "seven" but he wasnt at the LBH. His name was Sorden (born in Finland 1847) and I dont know much about him but only that he served few years after the LBH in the 7th and then disappeared to somewhere...anyone ever heard of him?
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Post by fred on Mar 19, 2007 9:09:14 GMT -6
Frank--
There is very little about him, but here's what I have in my notes:
PVT Sorden, Thomas—b. Finland, 1847; d. unknown. Enroute to FAL. Enlisted on 6Jun76 in St. Louis. Was a bricklayer in civilian life. Hazel eyes, blond hair, 5’ 9 1/4” tall. Deserted 3Mar78. Never found and nothing else is known of him.
Hope that tells you a little something you don't already know.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Frank on Mar 19, 2007 11:18:56 GMT -6
Fred...you rock my world. Thanks!
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Post by fred on Mar 19, 2007 11:38:54 GMT -6
Frank--
It is my pleasure.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by harpskiddie on Mar 19, 2007 16:46:36 GMT -6
Sergeant Brown listed him as Sordon, and has him marked present for duty in August [sometime] 1876 - Company G, supposedly - info from Brown's diary [which was written in the unused part of Charlie Reynold's diary].
Gordie
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