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He Dog
Aug 7, 2006 10:05:23 GMT -6
Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 7, 2006 10:05:23 GMT -6
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He Dog
Aug 7, 2006 12:18:13 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 7, 2006 12:18:13 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the pictures. Really interestying to see. So Clark loaned Yellow Bear the shirt for the trip East?
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He Dog
Aug 7, 2006 12:27:07 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 7, 2006 12:27:07 GMT -6
For the hell of it, here are some images of He Dog. I've often wondered if the Anderson portrait is of the same He Dog. I thought he remained on Pine Ridge. Two of He Dog in 1877. I thought I could find a better copy of the bust, but... In 1877, standing at the left of this delegation photo (you can see the shirt worn by the man sitting at the furthest left): He Dog in the late 80s-91(probably from the 1891 delegation to Washington): At Plenty Horses' Trial (he's the one sitting at the left): He Dog and wife in 1899: In the 1920s???: The Anderson photo (1895-1915, but surely towards the later date IF it's the same man, who was, after all, born in about 1838):
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He Dog
Aug 7, 2006 12:34:55 GMT -6
Post by historynut1876 on Aug 7, 2006 12:34:55 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the pictures. Really interestying to see. So Clark loaned Yellow Bear the shirt for the trip East? Thank you. As for the printed data, I can't vouch for it either way. I would assume that Clark kept a written record of such things and his experiences and that this information came from that. I forgot to ask while I was there. On a side note, whenever I see these objects up close I am reminded of the hard and detailed work that goes into such items. It really is remarkable. And that's a great photo of his face you posted.
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He Dog
Aug 7, 2006 13:01:42 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 7, 2006 13:01:42 GMT -6
I'm not convinced the photos of the older man represent the same He Dog. Hope Ephriam or Kingsley or Dietmar can help out.
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He Dog
Aug 7, 2006 17:23:06 GMT -6
Post by ephriam on Aug 7, 2006 17:23:06 GMT -6
Thank you for posting the photograph. I also have had an interest in the William Philo Clark Collection and obtained a list several years ago of everything that his nephew donated. Regrettably, there were few labels preserved so the information about where Clark obtained each item is lost. However, the scalp shirt was given to him by He Dog, presented at the time of his surrender with Crazy Horse. I cited the collection in my article in the current issue of Greasy Grass on He Dog's band.
In addition to the scalp shirt, He Dog also presented Lieut. Clark with a war bonnet which is in the collection. He also presented Clark with a pipe and pipe bag as I recall, but it is uncertain which they are in the collection.
As to the photographs of He Dog, the image by Anderson is NOT of the Oglala He Dog. This portrait is actually of a minor Brule headman by the same name; historians have often gotten the two individuals mixed up. Also the image of the man with his wife outside a lodge is not either He Dog. I will have to go back to my photo notes to see who he is.
The first posted images are all of the Oglala He Dog. The first one was taken by D. S. Mitchell in the fall of 1877, probably at the Red Cloud Agency. The second image was taken in Sept/Oct. 1877 in Washington D.C., by Charles Bell, and the third one during the same period by Mathew Brady. There are several other known delegation photographs from this trip in which He Dog appears.
In addition to the 1891 images, the only other portraits of He Dog that I am aware of were taken outside his home on Pine Ridge about 1928.
Hope this helps.
ephriam
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He Dog
Aug 8, 2006 2:25:57 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 8, 2006 2:25:57 GMT -6
Thanks. Yes, the Anderson photo is frequently used to represent the Oglala He Dog and the man with his wife looks different to both of the others.
I'd always thought the first image was a Bell photo - would it have been taken just before the trip East? The clothing looks the same, except for the bonnet, but he's only wearing one feather in the Gardner group photo from that trip.
Next question: where can I buy a copy of the aforementioned Greasy Grass?
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He Dog
Aug 8, 2006 7:03:24 GMT -6
Post by historynut1876 on Aug 8, 2006 7:03:24 GMT -6
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He Dog
Aug 8, 2006 7:18:36 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 8, 2006 7:18:36 GMT -6
Thanks. The Brule He Dog was in the 1875 delegation and so he may be one of those phtographed in front of the Treasury Building. His nose is similar to that of the man in the middle of the three seated and bonnetted Indians, I suppose... (Modified for size. To see a larger photo: www.lbha.org/images/1875-delegation-sioux.jpg -- DM)
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He Dog
Aug 9, 2006 14:00:51 GMT -6
Post by Dietmar on Aug 9, 2006 14:00:51 GMT -6
Hello everybody, I missed the boards for some weeks. Anyway, here are two more photographs that could be of He Dog. I´m not sure where I found the first one. The second one is a group photo that has been selled on ebay. by G.G. McBride, Fort Robinson, Nebraska (standing 2nd from right - He Dog) Glad to be back. Dietmar
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He Dog
Aug 9, 2006 14:30:27 GMT -6
Post by Dietmar on Aug 9, 2006 14:30:27 GMT -6
I would assume that the Brule He Dog could be the man in the middle of the three feather-bonnet men sitting on the right in the middle row (left to the Brule Ring Thunder) of the 1875 delegation . He looks very similar to the He Dog in John A. Anderson´s 1894 group photo of the Brule Sioux at the Rosebud agency.
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He Dog
Aug 9, 2006 17:17:44 GMT -6
Post by ephriam on Aug 9, 2006 17:17:44 GMT -6
Dietmar:
Welcome back. The first photograph you posted is one of the two 1928 images that I mentioned in an early post. As I recall, they were part of a survey conducted by the Office of Indian Affairs to determine the economic status of the Lakota on the reservations. It is on the Oglala Lakota College website and was published in Donovin Sprague's book of photographs from Pine Ridge Reservation, published by Arcadia Press.
I have seen this and other Indian photographs by McBride, from Crawford, Nebraska, taken at the old Red Cloud Agency site. However, this is the first time I have seen that individual identified as He Dog. When this image appeared on ebay, did it have names for everyone listed?
ephriam
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He Dog
Aug 10, 2006 0:48:54 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 10, 2006 0:48:54 GMT -6
Hi, Dietmar. Any idea of the date of the second photo? The man to the right looks like the Spotted Elk on the 1891 Oglala delegation photo.
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He Dog
Aug 10, 2006 15:18:10 GMT -6
Post by Dietmar on Aug 10, 2006 15:18:10 GMT -6
Grahame, yes I am sure it must be the Oglala Spotted Elk. Unfortunately I have no date for the photo, but I am sure Ephriam knows more. I would guess that it was made around 1890, judging from the faces of He Dog and Spotted Elk, who don´t look much older or younger than in 1891. There are no names listed on the photograph, but I am relatively certain that it is He Dog. I would love to know the indian on the far left, he looks impressive. Here is the complete picture:
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He Dog
Aug 10, 2006 18:27:56 GMT -6
Post by buffaloman on Aug 10, 2006 18:27:56 GMT -6
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