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He Dog
Aug 10, 2006 22:16:59 GMT -6
Post by ephriam on Aug 10, 2006 22:16:59 GMT -6
I do not have much on McBride, except that he first appears in the Nebraska Gazeteer as a photographer in Crawford, Nebraska, in 1894. He was gone by the time the next edition came out in 1902.
ephriam
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He Dog
Aug 11, 2006 2:23:38 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 11, 2006 2:23:38 GMT -6
That looks a very good call, buffaloman. I wonder if the tall man in the centre is the Hollow Horn Bear seen standing at the left of the 1891 delegation photo.
I wonder if He Dog's brothers are some of the others in the photo...
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He Dog
Aug 11, 2006 6:53:40 GMT -6
Post by Dietmar on Aug 11, 2006 6:53:40 GMT -6
Thank you buffaloman, I must have been blind...
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He Dog
Aug 11, 2006 10:36:58 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 11, 2006 10:36:58 GMT -6
Here's another photo of Iron Hawk, taken by Rinehart in 1899.
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He Dog
Aug 12, 2006 6:22:51 GMT -6
Post by buffaloman on Aug 12, 2006 6:22:51 GMT -6
Thanks grahamew for the Rinehart photo of Iron Hawk. It is interesting that he continued to wear a German Silver cross into the 1890s, as it was a style more popular in the 1870s. Those arrows in his hair are reminiscent of Catlin paintings. Surely a war honor mark. A true traditionalist. I've made a comparison of Hollow Horn Bear and Short Bull with the McBride photogaph. I understand Short Bull was He Dog's brother.
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He Dog
Aug 12, 2006 6:40:22 GMT -6
Post by historynut1876 on Aug 12, 2006 6:40:22 GMT -6
Does anyone know about the giant crosses that appear in many pictures (as seen above) of the Indians from the late 1800s. I read somewhere that they weren't "Christian crosses" but represented the four directions. Thanks.
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He Dog
Aug 12, 2006 10:07:36 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 12, 2006 10:07:36 GMT -6
Yeah, although Rinehart photographed Indians in traditionalist garb, it's interesting to see Iron Hawk's attire in the He Dog photo, isn't it?
I'm sure you know this already, but the Short Bull of Ghost Dance fame wasn't He Dog's brother. The brother was, by 1890, known as Grant Short Bull and served the government during the Ghost dance troubles. I've never seen a photo of him.
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agnes
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He Dog
Aug 12, 2006 15:26:06 GMT -6
Post by agnes on Aug 12, 2006 15:26:06 GMT -6
Dear Buffaloman!
I'm sure You pictured the Brule Short Bull. He is an another man. Eleanor Hinman in her interviews used the name Short Buffalo because the younger brother of He Dog wasn't the same with Short Bull, the Brule Ghost Dance apostle.
Sincerely: Agnes
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agnes
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He Dog
Aug 12, 2006 16:06:33 GMT -6
Post by agnes on Aug 12, 2006 16:06:33 GMT -6
Dear Diane!
Thanks for the photos! Very great! But if He Dog gave away the shirt in April 1877, how can possible that Yellow Bear wore the shirt in the Autumn of 1877?
HistoryNut1876 don't have more photos about the warbonnet and the pipe bag? Those items was also gave by He Dog to Lt. Clark when the people of Crazy Horse surrendered.
Sincerely: Agnes
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He Dog
Aug 12, 2006 16:33:42 GMT -6
Post by agnes on Aug 12, 2006 16:33:42 GMT -6
If the shirt belonged to Yellow Bear really? Kingsley mentioned that after the Old Red Cloud Agency moved in 27 Oct, 1877, the Northern and the Agency Oglala chiefs united. Among the Agency Wakicunzas (Deciders) was Yellow Bear. I think that he was a Decider already when the Oglala Delegation photographed in Washington D.C.
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He Dog
Aug 12, 2006 17:14:06 GMT -6
Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 12, 2006 17:14:06 GMT -6
Hello, Agnes!
It's nice to have you with us again.
I'm afraid I don't know anything about the shirt. I've just helped others post their photos. I'm sure they can answer your questions.
Best wishes, Diane
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He Dog
Aug 14, 2006 6:44:12 GMT -6
Post by kingsleybray on Aug 14, 2006 6:44:12 GMT -6
Just an observation on the photograph taken near the site of Red Cloud Agency No. 2. He Dog's younger brother Grant Short Bull and their nephew (they would have called him their 'son') Amos Bad Heart Bull were both enlisted as scouts and based at Ft Robinson in the early 1890s: could they be included in this photo? With both He Dog and Iron Hawk present, the correlation with the memebership of the Sore-Backs sub-band seems very strong.
According to John Colhoff, in one of his letters to Joseph Balmer, the two Short Bulls - He Dog's brother and the Brule Ghost Dance leader - were cousins. I'll check the exact reference later, but it doesn't state exactly how the two men were related, through which parent/s, etc.
More later
Kingsley Bray
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He Dog
Aug 14, 2006 8:12:19 GMT -6
Post by crzhrs on Aug 14, 2006 8:12:19 GMT -6
As far as I know the "crosses" were not part of a Christian believe but represented the four directions: North, South, East, & West which meant various believes such as North (cold) South (warmth) East (the rising Sun) West (the setting sun) Some tribes put different meanings to the directions, however.
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He Dog
Aug 14, 2006 12:25:32 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 14, 2006 12:25:32 GMT -6
Do you think the two men kneeling have similar facial features to the short man in the light plaid suit? Unfortunately, they look nothing like He Dog. In fact, they seem to look more like Iron Hawk.
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He Dog
Aug 15, 2006 5:02:23 GMT -6
Post by shan on Aug 15, 2006 5:02:23 GMT -6
With reference to the photographs that have been posted of He Dog, do any of you know the photograph that Hardorff used in his Lakota recollections of the Custer fight? I have long wondered if he mislabelled this photograph as, to me at least, this man looks nothing like those that have recently been posted on this site, he seems much more Mogollian in appearence, with much thicker hair. As those of you with an interest in this subject will know, far to many people who write books that contain photographs of these people are often very sloppy in identifing individuals, even those that have often been photographed and are, as a result, fairly well known. I was looking for a particular Indian in Kenneth Shields book 'The Little Bighorn Tiospaye' yesterday, and amongst the many many mistakes, he has labelled a very famous picture of Rain in the Face as being Crow King, ahh well, Shan
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