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He Dog
Aug 17, 2006 2:37:30 GMT -6
Post by hans54 on Aug 17, 2006 2:37:30 GMT -6
The Short Bull & James H. Cook photo was published in NEBRASKA HISTORY, Vol.22, No.1, 1941. It had actually been taken in September 1934, a year before Short Bull was killed in a car accident near Oglala, South Dakota. This is what Cook had to say about the picture: "The photograph was taken at Fort Robinson by an artist unknown to me, at the time (September 4-5, 1934) when cenotaphs were dedicated to Lieutenant Levi Robinson (in whose honor the fort was named) and to Crazy Horse, brave Indian and leading Sioux warrior. Short Bull who stands beside me was a brother of He Dog. Both participated in the fight with General Custer when his command was wiped out" (NH 22:1, 1941, 74). Hans Karkheck
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He Dog
Aug 17, 2006 7:20:07 GMT -6
Post by ephriam on Aug 17, 2006 7:20:07 GMT -6
If the individual in the McBride photograph (second from left) is actually Grant Short Bull, then I suspect the boy standing next to him is his son Charles Short Bull, who would have been about 8 or 10 years old when the image was made. Grant also had a daughter, but she was not born until 1895. Perhaps one of the women standing to the right is his wife, Good Hawk.
The photograph of Captain Cook and Short Bull was indeed taken in 1934 at the dedication of the two stone pyramids at Fort Robinson, one dedicated to Crazy Horse and the other to Lieut. Robinson killed in 1874. They are both standing in front of the Post Headquarters, today the Fort Robinson Museum. Thank you for sharing the photograph!
ephriam
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He Dog
Aug 17, 2006 7:46:46 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 17, 2006 7:46:46 GMT -6
Thanks, indeed. I wonder if Little Shield is in the 1934 photo.
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He Dog
Aug 17, 2006 15:40:22 GMT -6
Post by hans54 on Aug 17, 2006 15:40:22 GMT -6
No Little Shield in the 1933 group photograph.
Here is the name list, as published by the Nebraska State Historical Society (f.l.t.r.): Pine Ridge Supt. McGregor, John Kills Above, Susie Kills Above, Silas Fills The Pipe, Delia Red Cloud, Agnes Red Cloud, James Red Cloud, Short Bull, Lone Man, Fast Whirlwind, Stanley Red Feather, Samuel Rock, Amos Afraid Of His Horses, Emil Afraid Of Hawk, Oliver Jumping Eagle, Herbert Bissonette, Robert Fast Horse, Captain Luther H. North.
Hans Karkheck
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He Dog
Aug 17, 2006 15:56:31 GMT -6
Post by Dietmar on Aug 17, 2006 15:56:31 GMT -6
Seeing him standing beside Jack Red Cloud makes me understand why he was called SHORT Bull
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He Dog
Aug 17, 2006 21:23:51 GMT -6
Post by buffaloman on Aug 17, 2006 21:23:51 GMT -6
There is a previously unpublished late photo of Short Bull currently on eBay- Pine Ridge Reservation Indian Chief Short Bull Item number: 160020147129
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He Dog
Aug 17, 2006 23:44:51 GMT -6
Post by Dietmar on Aug 17, 2006 23:44:51 GMT -6
I would say that this must be the Brule Short Bull, although the photo seems to be made at Pine Ridge.
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He Dog
Aug 18, 2006 3:13:33 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Aug 18, 2006 3:13:33 GMT -6
Is Stanley Red Feather the man who contributed to Hinman's work on Crazy Horse?
Feasibly, the agency doctor at the time the ebay Short Bull photo was taken could've been James Walker.
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He Dog
Aug 18, 2006 8:53:05 GMT -6
Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 18, 2006 8:53:05 GMT -6
What "specimen" would he have brought to the doctor?
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He Dog
Sept 13, 2006 11:49:36 GMT -6
Post by grahamew on Sept 13, 2006 11:49:36 GMT -6
And the identity of the man mistakenly labelled as He Dog in this picture? Turning Bear, perhaps?
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agnes
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He Dog
Sept 14, 2006 4:07:13 GMT -6
Post by agnes on Sept 14, 2006 4:07:13 GMT -6
Grahame, That He Dog could be a Brule, but this name also occured among the Oglalas I don't know in how many number. I forgot to look the Crazy Horse's Surrender Ledger, probably that could contain other He Dogs. Among the Brules in 1900 two He Dog appeared as Heads of their families. + The first born in Jan 1836 and was 64 years old, married for 27 years. His wife was Eagle Feather born in Jan 1853, 47 years old. + The second born in Mar 1854, was 46 years old, married for 25 years. His wife was Yellow Wooden Ring, she was born in Sept 1856, 43 years old. The source is: www.rootsweb.com/~cenfiles/sd/rosebud-ir/1900/Probably the photo shows the second He Dog, but if the man on the photo was really He Dog... Sincerely: Agnes
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