Kicking Bear photo

[grahamew]

A pair of leggings that belonged to Yankton Charlie are - or were - on display at Kelvingrove in Glasgow. Donated on this trip?

Here is No Neck, taken at Fort Sheridan in 1893




And here's a clearer version of the photo of Short Bull that appeared earlier in this thread:



Finally, here, if it's labelled correctly, is Godkin's photo of Yankton Charlie, which was taken over ten years earlier than the Antwerp group.

[ssbba]

Hi Dietmar,

And thank you very much for the compliment!

I'm glad we're agreed on No Neck. I'd have to look for a photo of Yankton Charlie, at present I couldn't argue the point, but all the logic points to the four seated together in the foreground being the "chiefs". The fifth "chief" on that tour was Lone Bull, but I'm quite sure that that mysterious fourth figure isn't him either.

[ssbba]

Sorry!

I missed the posting with the Yankton Charlie and family photo!

I agree that YC as depicted here is NOT the "fourth man". The "fourth man" however does look familiar, and I'll report back as soon as I find out who he is.

[ssbba]

Hi Grahamew,

YES, according to the Kelvingrove Museum Acession Register, the Yankton Charlie item was one of those either sold of donated by Crager.

[ssbba]

I notice that there is a frame picture of Kicking Bear on sale on eBay:

tinyurl.com/372m39

[Modified so that link works. -- DM]

[grahamew]

A later (1894?) picture of Yankton Charlie:



"A group of Sioux leaders, including from left, No Neck, Yankton Charlie, Flat Iron, Spotted Tail and Standing Bear, is gathered on a wood platform in a camp for Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show at Ambrose Park in Brooklyn, New York. Both No Neck and Standing Bear wear feather headdresses."



photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00105594+NS-594

and

photoswest.org:8080/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+20154+594+739346+1+0


That does look like William Spotted Tail behind Short Bull in the Antwerp photo, Dietmar.

[ssbba]

I don't have a record of anyone called Spotted Tail on the 1891 - 92 season, although I hold a number of passenger lists etc.

In fact, so far as I have been able to tell, only two of the Indians on that season had Christian names, so I would doubt that it is Wm Spotted Tail in the Antwerp photo, unless of course he went by another name.

[Dietmar]

Here is William ST with another group that toured with Buffalo Bill. Must have been photographed in the 1890s:

tinyurl.com/338ckw

In the Jensen book "Eyewitness at Wounded Knee" is a photo (page 171) of all 23 Ghost Dance prisoners that Cody took with him on the tour to Europe in 1891, among them Kicking Bear and Short Bull. There is no Wm Spotted Tail, but also no No Neck or some others from the Antwerpen photo.

Dietmar

[Modified so that link works. -- DM]

[grahamew]

Was One Bull with the group? I've seen the name given as that or as Lone Bull.

[Scout]

Some say the present so called photo of Crazy Horse is really No Neck but to me they look nothing alike. Any thoughts who the CR photo really is? Niehardt ID'd him in a book I had years ago.

The quality of the Rhinehart photo is truly amazing.

[grahamew]

No Neck's too heavy to be the subject of that 'Crazy Horse' photo.

[ssbba]

Lone Bull was certainly one of the "chiefs" on the 1891 - 92 season. His presence is very well documented.

However, there seems to be a potential for confusion with Sitting Bull's nephew and adopted son, One Bull. Lone Bull was apparently a Brulé, and was not related so far as I am aware.

I agree that No Neck is too heavy to pass for Crazy Horse, who, according to the usual descriptions, did not have an impressive physique. No Neck, for what it is worth, was already an army scout in the 1870s.

[grahamew]

I've seen the One Bull/Lone Bull confusion a couple of times. Haa anyone got a photo of the Brule Lone Bull?

[Diane Merkel]

Henri asked me to post this of Kicking Bear and Short Bull. It is from the Heritage Auction Gallery.

[grahamew]

Great picture! Who's the other man?