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Post by agnes on Sept 16, 2006 10:06:00 GMT -6
Hardorff says Pourier died in 1932 (p91 of The Death of Crazy Horse)! And on his Wounded Knee ranch near Manderson, SD. This is funny... The best is to say that he died between 1925-1935 ;D About the death date of Kicking Bear, Hardorff used 3 good sources... what date could be reliable? I haven't access to the McCoy book, thus I'm curious if it have contains a photo about Kicking Bear? Agnes |
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Post by grahamew on Sept 16, 2006 11:13:39 GMT -6
Sadly, no. The Maddra book (Hostiles? The Lakota Ghost Dance and Buffalo Bill's Wild West; UOP, 2006) has an illustration of KB from the 1893 Wild West Show programme, as well as a less common Barry photo of him with Crow-style necklace, bow, arrows and bandolier bag.
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Post by agnes on Sept 16, 2006 14:31:04 GMT -6
Dear Graham! Those Wild West photos in this topic are that You mentioned? Althought I saw the photo of Kicking Bear with bandolier bag, I haven't that image.  Sincerely: Agnes |
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Post by grahamew on Sept 18, 2006 13:51:59 GMT -6
Okay, I've scanned the pictures. First is KB with bow, taken by Barry; I'm guessing in the early 90s.  Second up is the 1893 Wild West Show programme illustration of KB.  Finally, here's a closer view of the head from that illustration:  |
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Post by grahamew on Sept 18, 2006 13:58:38 GMT -6
For good measure, here are two illustrations of Short Bull, also from Maddra's book. The first is from the 1891-2 Wild West Show programme for the British tour:  The second shows him in a Ghost Shirt c. 1909 (taken by Frederick Weygold):  |
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Post by grahamew on Sept 18, 2006 14:16:29 GMT -6
KB sculpted in 1892 by Carl Rohl Smith (1848-1900) and exhibited at the Columbian Exposition in 1893; I'm assuming this was from life:  |
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Post by mort aux vaches on Sept 23, 2006 16:33:44 GMT -6
I think the date is 1896 and all three pictures posted by Mort are Kicking Bear. As for him being short, Tim McCoy met him in 1924 and described him as "tall, husky...the meanest, orneriest, most powerful looking Indian I have ever seen." Thanks for the info. So much for my sharp eye. If he indeed was tall and husky in '24 I guess the photo from Marquette Uni. can't be him. Actually looking at photos with him and other people he seems more of average height. |
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Post by grahamew on Oct 4, 2006 15:50:06 GMT -6
 Just wondering... Is this Weygold and Short Bull? Or is it a Weygold photo of someone else and Short Bull? |
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Post by hans54 on Oct 4, 2006 15:57:37 GMT -6
Grahame,
This is a photo of Frederick Weygold in conversation with Shot In The Eye (Oglala), using sign-language.
Hans Karkheck
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Post by grahamew on Oct 5, 2006 0:27:37 GMT -6
Thanks. So this was for a book?
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Post by hans54 on Oct 5, 2006 10:32:20 GMT -6
Don't think so. As far as I know, this picture of Weygold and Shot In The Eye was not taken during Weygold's 1909 sojourn to the Pine Ridge Reservation, but somewhere in the east. It does not belong to the series of Pine Ridge photographs Weygold did for the Hamburg Völkerkunde Museum, although it also served as an illustration for the Weygold book, "Ich, Dakota".
Hans Karkheck
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Post by grahamew on Oct 5, 2006 11:51:41 GMT -6
Thanks again.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 14, 2006 10:51:44 GMT -6
Here's another photo of Kicking Bear (though the wrtten annotation refers to him beinga Brule) by Trager; clearly just taken before or after the one on Page 1 of this thread:  |
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Post by grahamew on Oct 16, 2006 12:25:30 GMT -6
I came across an old postcard site and found this. Not much to go on and I admit the hair decorations don't immediately shout Lakota at me, but facially this resembles Kicking Bear. Could it be?  |
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Post by shatonska on Oct 16, 2006 15:00:25 GMT -6
if Kicking Bear ever was in the buffalo bill wild west show that man is Kicking Bear , those can easily be borrowed clothes from the wild west sow
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