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Post by grahamew on Oct 16, 2006 15:16:11 GMT -6
He most certainly was in Cody's Wild West Show, so...
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 18, 2006 9:28:04 GMT -6
I believe it is Kicking Bear. Compare the photo to another one you posted on the first side of this thread, where he stands in a group with three other Buffalo Bill indians.
Dietmar
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Post by grahamew on Oct 18, 2006 10:07:30 GMT -6
D'oh! You know, I didn't look, but it is clearly him!
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Post by grahamew on Oct 18, 2006 13:16:22 GMT -6
I think I was confusing the hair decorations with similar items I've seen worn by Utes and Jicarilla Apache, when, in actual fact, they're more in keeping with those worn by George Sword in the 1877 delegation photograph and the picture below:  |
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 18, 2006 15:11:47 GMT -6
Wow, never saw this photo, where is it from? It´s Cody in the center, isn´t he?
Ah, I think I have a blackout, but who is the indian sitting far left?
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Post by grahamew on Oct 19, 2006 0:18:03 GMT -6
bbhc.org
It's dated circa 1875. Cody with scouts.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 19, 2006 5:08:06 GMT -6
Could this be Lower Brule head chief Iron Nation?
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Post by ephriam on Oct 19, 2006 12:12:46 GMT -6
What a great photograph! I have never seen this one. I do not have my photograph files at hand, but is this image of George Sword identical to his individual portrait taken in 1877 with the delegates to Washington D.C.?
If so, I would suggest that this new photograph is dated 1877. George Sword was not actually a member of the 1877 delegation but he and another Oglala (Two Bears if I recall correctly) had been hired to be in a play with Cody that year. When the 1877 delegation from the Red Cloud and Spotted Tail Agencies came to Washington D.C., Cody and his troupe were playing in the city at the same time. The delegation came to see the play and Sword accompanied the delegation on several of its trips, including to the photographer's studio. That is when the classic portrait of Sword taken by Charles M. Bell was made.
Is there a way to search the Buffalo Bill site to locate the photograph with its text?
ephriam
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Post by grahamew on Oct 19, 2006 12:28:34 GMT -6
www.bbhc.org/bbm/index.cfmThis all I've got. Interesting story about Sword. Until you said that, I'd assumed this had been taken on Cody's post Little Bighorn venture out West. I wasn't aware he'd gone back into showbusiness (was he ever out of it?) that soon! The BBHC data appears if you run your cursor over the picture before you click on it to get a larger image.
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Post by hans54 on Oct 19, 2006 15:50:41 GMT -6
From Pine Ridge, in the fall of 1877, Cody hired at least George Sword and Two Bears, also John Y. Nelson as interpreter, for his Buffalo Bill Combination of 1877-78. Two Bears is said to have been a Hunkpapa.
This surprising "new" photo of Sword and Cody has already been on its way for some time. It is published in Louis S. Warren, BUFFALO BILL'S AMERICA: WILLIAM CODY AND THE WILD WEST SHOW; New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2005. Recommended title with interesting material and fresh insights. Nice book.
Hans Karkheck
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 20, 2006 1:35:55 GMT -6
From the wrinkled eyebrows and the long thin nose I would judge that John Y. Nelson is the man standing far left in the backrow, although he later always wears a full beard.  John Nelson & family Hans, Two Bears was the name of an important Yanktonai chief. Was this the man Cody hired or was there another Hunkpapa by that name? I doubt that the second indian in the group photo is the Yanktonai Two Bears because he looks different to all the photos I have of him or his son Young Two Bears. Does anyone have more information on this? Dietmar |
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Post by buffaloman on Oct 20, 2006 5:12:38 GMT -6
I've not seen this before either. George Sword does appear to be wearing the same outfit in the 1877 delegation photos and does suggest this is an 1877 photograph. The moccasins look to be the same in the Bell photo. The leggings, blanket, shirt, otter braid wraps with a single beaded wrap are in the delegation photos. An upright eagle feather is worn in the delegation photos, but the feather is worn sideways in the "new" photo. Metal armbands, and a dentailia shell choker is worn by Sword in the delegation photos, but not in the new photo.
-Bob
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Post by hans54 on Oct 20, 2006 5:19:24 GMT -6
Dietmar,
It did not occur to me - but you seem to be absolutely right: This could well be John Nelson in his short hair period. Fine identification!
Hans Karkheck
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Post by grahamew on Oct 20, 2006 9:56:22 GMT -6
When (and where - and by whom...) was the Nelson photo taken? I've seen several Wild West Show photos with the same backdrop.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 26, 2006 7:47:31 GMT -6
Grahame,
I am not sure about it, but it could be that this and the other photos with the same backdrop were made during the trips of the Buffalo Bill´s Wild West Show to Europe.
The young man with the war-bonnet is Nelson´s eldest son Yellow Horse, who performed many seasons in the show. The smallest children in the picture is his daughter Rose (who later took the stage name Princess Blue Waters), who proved to be a favorite of the Prince of Wales during Cody´s stay in London in 1887. Perhaps the photo was made at that time in London!?
Dietmar
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