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Post by wild on Sept 2, 2019 15:45:13 GMT -6
Hi AZ Simple availability of guns does not relate to why persons commit crimes. The availability of guns facilitates the murder and wounding of victims on an industrial scale. Also I'm surprised that gun culture has not provided us with a cool term (as per active shooter)for mass murder....could I suggest a "grouper shooter".
I don't classify bail bondsmen as part of the justice system any more than private investigators. He provides a service which allows those not yet convicted to go free. Without him the jails would be overcrowded . I think that qualifies as being part of the justice system
Best Richard
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Post by AZ Ranger on Sept 2, 2019 17:59:18 GMT -6
Hi AZ Simple availability of guns does not relate to why persons commit crimes.The availability of guns facilitates the murder and wounding of victims on an industrial scale. Also I'm surprised that gun culture has not provided us with a cool term (as per active shooter)for mass murder....could I suggest a "grouper shooter". So you believe if there were no legal guns there would be no facilitation. What a waste of time to think that is an answer. Police have their firearms stolen and used to commit crimes including murder. Would you ban them? The military loses firearms and they are used in crimes. Would you ban them. I get it now. We upstarts used firearms to get rid of those that would opress us and we formed our own government . You want to disarm us and try to take our country. I don't classify bail bondsmen as part of the justice system any more than private investigators.He provides a service which allows those not yet convicted to go free. Without him the jails would be overcrowded . I think that qualifies as being part of the justice system Best Richard A bartender by law is suppose to cut off a person exhibiting signs of intoxication. So a bartender is part of the justice system also?
Here would be my definition
The primary institutions of the criminal justice system are the police, prosecution and defense lawyers, the courts and prisons.
Regards
Steve
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Post by wild on Sept 2, 2019 23:42:08 GMT -6
Hi AZ
A bartender by law is suppose to cut off a person exhibiting signs of intoxication. So a bartender is part of the justice system also?
Here would be my definition
The primary institutions of the criminal justice system are the police, prosecution and defense lawyers, the courts and prisons. Having a statutary duty of care would not involve a bartender in the justice system. Bail and it's administration would be part of the justice system.
Cheers Richard
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Post by wild on Sept 3, 2019 1:58:00 GMT -6
AZ So you believe if there were no legal guns there would be no facilitation. i have continually used the term universal gun ownership/gun culture/armed society. As the US has half the guns in the world in private ownership and zero State control over them .A failure rate of 0001% gives 10000 dead children every year. This death rate is tolerated because it is dispersed geographically and socially and time wise. If the annual casualties occurred on one day in one place as on a battlefield as per 9/11 the reaction would be different. The reaction of the US TO 9/11 was to slaughter thousands of Iraqis and wreck an entire country. 9/11 pales into insignificance when compared to the annual self inflicted slaughter in the States.
What a waste of time to think that is an answer. Police have their firearms stolen and used to commit crimes including murder. Would you ban them? The military loses firearms and they are used in crimes. Would you ban them. I get it now. We upstarts used firearms to get rid of those that would opress us and we formed our own government . You want to disarm us and try to take our country. The answer to system failure is to improve the system not to ban it. There is no effective gun controll in the States ...try improving it. In Britian with a population of 60 million gun ownership is strictly controlled and the police force is unarmed. The only risk posed to the US comes from within the US itself. You have within your society a 5th column ,dormant at the moment but just wait till those individual crazies get together or crazy cults such as Waco......dont get me started AZ
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Post by montrose on Sept 3, 2019 6:57:35 GMT -6
As per the good Colonel Situation: LTC Custer at 3411 saw that Reno's attack was stalled, and that Indians had swept past his open flank and were between him and Ford A. Benteen and the trains would naturally follow the trail across Ford A and after Reno.
The order for Benteen and the trains to follow Custer, vice Reno was intended to keep them from running into the Indians between Ford A and Reno. It makes sense. They would have been slaughtered piecemeal.This is a significant observation. This means that Benteen by not crossing at Ford A is delibrately avoiding the action in his immediate front. It then begs the question why involve himself with the defeated Reno a short time later? I half suspect myself that he avoided Ford A for tactical reasons ; river crossings , brush wood, broken terrain obscured view. All of which would put cavalry at a huge disadvantage...got to see the enemy before committing. Further Benteen would not have known which battalion was in the valley . Did he in fact know that as he approached Ford A there was an engagement to his front? Nice try Wild. www.armystudyguide.com/content/SMCT_CTT_Tasks/Skill_Levels_2_4/0713265502-sl2-issue-a-fr.shtmlYou may notice that situation is mandatory. When LTC Custer sent a FRAGO to Benteen, he did not tell him enemy situation. CPT Benteen did now know why he was directed to follow a path east of the river, and not support any friendly elements in the valley. Custer's orders and fragmentary orders at LBH were not bad, they were worse. IN fact, they show this man was unfit to hold a commission, incompetent at any grade. There is a 250ish volume of written orders of the US Civil War that provides thousands of examples of orders and Fragos, clearly beyond GACs abilities. If you look through the orders, Grant, Lee, Sherman had talent, and so did ......Miles. The decision to abandon the Reno detachment was made by Custer, and only Custer. The challenge is what did Custer intend to do with the 75% of the regiment he kept east of the river.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Sept 3, 2019 7:12:17 GMT -6
Hi AZ A bartender by law is suppose to cut off a person exhibiting signs of intoxication. So a bartender is part of the justice system also?
Here would be my definition
The primary institutions of the criminal justice system are the police, prosecution and defense lawyers, the courts and prisons.Having a statutary duty of care would not involve a bartender in the justice system. Bail and it's administration would be part of the justice system. Cheers Richard Richard Wrong!! Anyone can bail someone out of jail there is no governmental connection. Those listed above are the primary institutions and must meet state standards. A bartender can bail someone out of jail. So can a credit card. Regards Steve
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Post by wild on Sept 3, 2019 9:28:01 GMT -6
Colonel Montrose
There is a 250ish volume of written orders of the US Civil War that provides thousands of examples of orders and Fragos, clearly beyond GACs abilities Again significant. The manoeuvres by Custer in the battle ridge area[ leading to his destruction] suggested by Fred & CO would have required a set of complex FRAGOS.Beyond as you suggest , his [Custer's] abilities i recall asking Fred to publish an example of such a FRAGO . None was provided.
I remember many moons ago posting that Adj Cook should have had an order book . I was skinned by the great "late lamented" and reduced to the rank of company clerk. I think that Custer's was a "follow me" command and control system and beyond visual it did not function. Best Richard
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Post by wild on Sept 3, 2019 9:32:29 GMT -6
Wrong!! Anyone can bail someone out of jail there is no governmental connection. Those listed above are the primary institutions and must meet state standards. A bartender can bail someone out of jail. So can a credit card. Can a known criminal bail a suspect out of jail? cheers
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Post by Colt45 on Sept 3, 2019 14:44:13 GMT -6
Wild, Yes, a known criminal can bail a suspect out of jail if he can post the bail. If the known criminal is not currently wanted for anything, he is free to bail out someone, just like you or I could. However, if he is a known criminal, you can bet your bottom dollar he will be thoroughly checked out for any outstanding warrants before he can leave the building. If any outstanding warrants are found, neither he nor the person he is there to bail out will be going anywhere.
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Post by wild on Sept 5, 2019 0:41:20 GMT -6
Hi Colt Thank you for clarifying that. And tell me, bounty hunters are part of the legal system?
Just listening to a news item from the States describing how a mother returned home not expecting TO FIND anyone to be home and hearing noise drew her pistol and shot her daughter. fortunately only wounding her. The authorities advised that on returning home one should call out and announce your presence before shooting. Need anymore be said on his subject?
Best Richard
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Post by Colt45 on Sept 5, 2019 7:08:03 GMT -6
Unfortunately, things like this happen whenever humans are involved. Training keeps these things from happening. You learn to keep the weapon indexed until you have positively identified the target as threat or non-threat. You never shoot if you can't identify the target. I am quite sure the article you read or heard about never said anything about the mother's training level, which most likely was little to none.
You also never hear about all the times the bad guy was not shot because the person with the gun had proper training and was able to either scare off the bad guy, or hold him for the police, or recognize that the target was not a proper target after all. This happens very frequently but you never hear about these incidents.
I would not consider bounty hunters as part of the legal system.
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Post by wild on Sept 5, 2019 9:03:42 GMT -6
Colt Unfortunately, things like this happen whenever humans are involved. You are so right. In an armed society all citizens should undergo instruction in how to make a safe approach and entry to their own home.
Bounty hunters would have the power to aprehend a bail jumper? and that authority would come from the justice system?
Best Richard
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Post by Colt45 on Sept 5, 2019 20:19:51 GMT -6
Wild, A bounty hunter is paid by the bail bondsman whose bad guy has jumped bail. He is not part of the justice system proper. He assists justice by returning fugitives but is not part of the official system.
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Post by noggy on Sept 6, 2019 1:09:33 GMT -6
Wild, A bounty hunter is paid by the bail bondsman whose bad guy has jumped bail. He is not part of the justice system proper. He assists justice by returning fugitives but is not part of the official system. Hi COlt We have nothing like this over here, are they allowed to carry arms on the same level av civilians or police? (Not sure how to phrase my question properly in English, I`m basically wondering if there are any specific regulations/laws regarding Dug the Bounty Hunter etc and weapons). All the best, Noggy
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Post by wild on Sept 6, 2019 6:09:22 GMT -6
Hi Colt If a bounty hunter is unregulated and answers to no one and takes it upon himself [ok paid by the bondsman]to aprehend an individual then ya got the wild west. Can the bounter hunter terminate a bail jumper. From what Iv seen on youtube my guess is that he can? Cheers Richard
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