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Post by crzhrs on Aug 26, 2019 14:32:50 GMT -6
Here's a website with all kinds of statistics about guns, violence, etc. in the USA. This particular statistic show that the vast majority of mass shootings were done by someone who legally purchased a fire arm. A little tightening of gun laws may be one step in reducing gun violence and mass shootings in the USA. No one is saying to disarms Americans but at least let's stop the gun-show loophole, and the sale of weapons through private sales where anyone can sell a gun to anyone without going through a background check, a little longer waiting period so someone can cool off before buying a gun. I don't think that's unreasonable. www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 26, 2019 15:35:22 GMT -6
As for the argument being armed in case of government tyranny. Do you really think locals with shotguns, rifles, handguns, and maybe AKs are going to stop the US military who have all kinds of weapons that can make "legal" weapons look like pea-shooters.
More guns doesn't mean less violence. If it did there would not be the amount of gun violence we have in the USA. The USA has 4 percent of the world's population but 42 percent of the world's guns. All those guns don't seem to be stopping the killing.
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Post by bluedog on Aug 27, 2019 10:11:56 GMT -6
That's a bogus argument.......
"Gun violence" is basically a bogus term...........Who is the gun violence attributed to is the discussion...........A drug-deal gone bad?.........You can be assured there will be guns at that drug-deal...........And, mostly, if not totally, illegally-attained guns..........Turf war between gangs?..........Again, a gun on every gang-member - legal or not...........
The stats aren't about the guns, it's about who has the guns...........
These examples, and many more in mostly all cases, have nothing to do with legal gun-owners - absolutely nothing............
Fewer guns in the hands of law-abiding folks doesn't mean less violence.......
You don't ban food to fight an obesity problem...........You need a reason to pull that trigger on any gun..........Work on solving they "why" the trriger got pulled problem..........
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Post by bluedog on Aug 27, 2019 10:17:13 GMT -6
As for the military argument you present............
Every military guy or gal has the ability to own a gun and can use that gun in whatever way they deem necessary.............
You insinuate these military folks will fight the masses who are armed and revolting.............You leave no room for those military folks joining-in with the masses and toting their own personal guns.............Mass revolts by citizens are successful because military personnel join the revolt...........
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 27, 2019 13:08:38 GMT -6
As for the military argument you present............ Every military guy or gal has the ability to own a gun and can use that gun in whatever way they deem necessary............. You insinuate these military folks will fight the masses who are armed and revolting.............You leave no room for those military folks joining-in with the masses and toting their own personal guns.............Mass revolts by citizens are successful because military personnel join the revolt........... Most people who enlist are Patriots and swore an allegiance to uphold the Constitution. I doubt many would join traitors to attack the USA. You may remember what happened to traitors during the Civil War.
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 27, 2019 13:15:57 GMT -6
That's a bogus argument....... "Gun violence" is basically a bogus term...........Who is the gun violence attributed to is the discussion...........A drug-deal gone bad?.........You can be assured there will be guns at that drug-deal...........And, mostly, if not totally, illegally-attained guns..........Turf war between gangs?..........Again, a gun on every gang-member - legal or not........... The stats aren't about the guns, it's about who has the guns........... These examples, and many more in mostly all cases, have nothing to do with legal gun-owners - absolutely nothing............ Fewer guns in the hands of law-abiding folks doesn't mean less violence....... You don't ban food to fight an obesity problem...........You need a reason to pull that trigger on any gun..........Work on solving they "why" the trriger got pulled problem.......... Re: "You need a reason to pull that trigger on any gun . . ." Racists, White Supremacists, Bigots, you know the ones that support Trump (not all Trump supporters are racists but all racists support Trump). Get the guns out of their hands may be beneficial to the country. Gun Violence in the country is a problem . . . yes, criminals, drug dealers and gangs are responsible for many of the murders but it's the mass shooters, the haters, the White Supremists, the Bigots who are responsible for the slaughter at schools, churches, malls, movie theaters, music venues and other areas where large crowds gather. Criminals don't target them . . . they target each other, or the inadvertent killing during a robbery or other violent crime. Most people care about crime . . . but it's the mass slaughters, especially at schools that is heart breaking . . . and our politicians, mostly Republicans don't seem to care. Thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop the slaughter, they do nothing to comfort the loss of love ones. The only thing Republicans do about gun violence in America is cash checks from the NRA.
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Post by Colt45 on Aug 27, 2019 15:26:34 GMT -6
Horse, Your bias is really showing. What about the violence being inflicted by all the liberal groups such as Antifa? I haven't seen any conservatives, of any color, going out to harass the liberal politicians. That seems to be the exclusive domain of the left. Yes gun violence is a problem, but the gun isn't the problem, it's the people using them that are the problem. Why are we seeing the number of shootings that we are today, when back 30-40 years ago there were just as many guns on the street as there are now, plus it was much easier to get a gun, and mass shootings were almost non-existent? The problem is a lack of morals being taught to youth, a lack of respect for others and life in general. I lay this at the feet of parents and the school system, which has taken over the job of being a parent. Liberals practically own the education system, from kindergarten to college, and this has been the case for quite some time. Maybe you should examine those folks who believe as you do and see just how much damage they have done to society.
By the way, all racists don't support Trump. Louis Farrakan and Al Sharpton are two of the biggest racists around, and they sure don't support Trump, so please lay off the false generalizations about whites and conservatives.
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Post by wild on Aug 27, 2019 18:11:05 GMT -6
Bluedog These examples, and many more in mostly all cases, have nothing to do with legal gun-owners - absolutely nothing............
Fewer guns in the hands of law-abiding folks doesn't mean less violence.......
Law abiding folks are law abiding until they go postal.
Because gun ownership is universal every dysfunctional , troubled , mental case , can get his hands on a gun. In your society you got to treat every stranger as if he was a psycho with a gun.
Best Richard
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Post by bluedog on Aug 28, 2019 9:54:56 GMT -6
Liberal-minded folks never cease-to-amaze...........
They denounce mass shooters, yet, they support abortion which is by far a bigger killer of humans...........
As for laws and liberals..............They wanna pass more laws and take-away the ability of cops to enforce the laws..........
They overlook that the biggest offenders of gun-violence are in the cities they govern...........
They holler "racism" whenever a Republican speaks, yet, their party is chock-full of folks who make openly racist statements............
Passing stricter gun-ownership laws is stupid..........Liberal dems handcuff law-enforcement to the point that anyone who wants can walk around with a black-market pistol tucked in their waist-band............And, Dem-governed cities are proof of it............
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Post by bluedog on Aug 28, 2019 10:03:37 GMT -6
Do something about the opioid epidemic in America...........President Trump could use some involvement from our liberal-controlled Congress on that front...........
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Post by Colt45 on Aug 28, 2019 13:03:38 GMT -6
Well said, Bluedog. Just remember, however, liberals will not let facts get in the way of ideology, so we will never be able to convince them of the fallacy their ideology consists of.
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Post by bluedog on Aug 28, 2019 14:48:11 GMT -6
I agree........
That's why we'll never give up our guns..........
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Post by wild on Aug 28, 2019 22:51:40 GMT -6
Well said, Bluedog. Just remember, however, liberals will not let facts get in the way of ideology, so we will never be able to convince them of the fallacy their ideology consists of
A gun owner who thinks mass slaughter is an ideology is not fit to own a gun. He is a danger to himself and society.
Like wise someone who equates gun ownership with abortion. The gun is a security issue , abortion is a moral issue.
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Post by bluedog on Aug 29, 2019 8:30:15 GMT -6
Security issues require armed-guards...........Anyone who doesn't understand that is a liberal.............
And, abortion requires a satanistic morality........Anyone who doesn't understand that is, also, a liberal............
Neither have anything to do with gun-control laws............Anyone who doesn't understand that is a liberal..........
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Post by wild on Aug 29, 2019 15:21:00 GMT -6
Security issues require armed-guards
And, abortion requires a satanistic morality
Neither have anything to do with gun-control laws
Security issues are the responsibility of the State. The safety , well being , and orderly functioning of the State depends on security ..external and internal. If the State allows this vital function to be diluted , tolerating an ad hoc uncontrolled armed citizenry it abrogates its duty of care to the mob.
Perhaps you mean satanic? Satanism is an ideology yes? Went out of fashion with witches and wizards about 400 years ago. Evil however is alive and well and is manifested in the broken bloodied bodies of slaughtered children . Imagine for one minute if you would infants clinging to a young terrified female teacher as she tries to protect them from an active shooter [love the terminology]
The point about being a liberal is Im afraid lost on me . Here it is a legitmate philosophy of positivity ,embracing all that is good in man.
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