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Post by Beth on May 10, 2015 19:38:15 GMT -6
Prince Albert was lousy tobacco, as was Sir Walter Raleigh which came in an identical can at one time. When you were a Private making 67 dollars a month, before the First Sergeant's company fund and the Red Cross got hold of you at the end of the pay line (We were paid in cash in those days by the Company Commander armed with a .45 ACP) the Prince and his brother were the only thing you could afford, for the pardon the pun, princely sum of 20 cents a can. Sometimes I would splurge and spend a full 30 cents for Middleton's Cherry Blend, but not often. I just bought some tobacco yesterday for 86 dollars a pound. Ain't life wonderful? Grandpa was a young family man at the start depression with a job, money in the bank and a house in St. Paul MN. He lost it all and ended up moving to Iowa to take over the family farm for his dad whose health was failing. Grandpa ended up supporting not only his own wife, 6 kids, and his dad but also several siblings and families and some shirt tail cousins by both farming and mining. I remember the farmhouse and I honestly don't know were they all lived. I imagine tobacco was a luxury so he went with the cheap stuff. I can just imagine what he could think on $86/pound tobacco or paying over $5 for cup of coffee. Funny thing is I have absolutely not memory of Grandpa smoking but I know he did because he had to quit by doctor's orders at a time myself, mother and brothers were living with him for about 2 months while my dad was away at a school to learn meat cutting. I do remember him keeping gopher feet in a can though, which he would take county seat when he got enough to collect the bounty.
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Post by dave on May 10, 2015 20:17:09 GMT -6
QC Does the $86 per pound product contain any wacky backy? Thought it was legal in Colorado? Enjoy your snowfall. He He. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on May 10, 2015 21:51:02 GMT -6
I smoke MacBarren's Club Blend or when I can get it Dark Twist. Both are roll cakes, grown in Virginia, shipped to Denmark, for processing and packaging then imported back here. The dollar fluctuation is playing hell with my vices. Just before Thanksgiving I was paying 60 dollars a pound, and you can see the delta of the increase.
If you by it by the two ounce can it is 25 dollars, which makes it 200 dollars a pound if you by it that way, which I don't.
When I first started smoking this brand in 66 or 67 I used to buy it at Dart Drug stores in DC, Tom will probably remember them, at 88 cents a can for two ounces, and something on the order of 3 dollars a half pound.
My wife, the politician, tells me that legal Mary Jane here in El Paso County has been a complete bust as far as expected revenue goes. Most of the shops are over in Manitou Springs at the foot of Ute Pass, which is something between Boulder and a Leper Colony, full of Wackados and left over hippies that have not discovered 1967 left a long time ago. Most of them smell like a sewer and look worse.
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Post by jodak on May 11, 2015 10:08:55 GMT -6
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Post by dave on May 11, 2015 12:02:07 GMT -6
Having never read or studied either Sun Tzu or von Clausewitz I had a little dificulty comprehending the use of the POW, till I had an epihany.
They sounded very similar to my duck hunting days when I did 3 things to do prior to each hunt:
Preperation
Blinds/cover a place to hunt, guns, ammo, clothing, licenses, food and drink
Patience
Awaiting quitely for game in a likely hot spot
Surprise
Launching attack when in range with deadly intent
Custer did not follow the second or the third principle and this realization on my part has made the posts from QC, Colt 45, AZ, Montrose, Tom, WO, Fred and other vets so more understandable. Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on May 11, 2015 13:42:22 GMT -6
Well David my boy if you have not read Sunny, the secrets of life have escaped your notice.
Clausewitz and the Didactic Resume are like wading through soggy Wheaties, hip deep, in lead lined boots, or a triple root canal, take your pick.
Your preparations for duck hunting is more akin to troop leading procedures, mentioned the other day by the M MAN. TLP is very much a derivation of the PoW's applied at lower (read small unit) level.
In life there are certain preparations and considerations that must be made for any human endeavor. In our line of work they are called the PoWs, and the TLP's.
Go out this very day and buy the Samuel B. Griffith translation of Sunny, and always be aware of the concubine that giggles.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 16:00:50 GMT -6
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Post by welshofficer on May 11, 2015 16:56:47 GMT -6
Sorry to be the straight man for this routine ! Reading the above excellent posts (thanks Fred, Qc, montrose, Ian, jodak, Beth, AZ) it seems that the timber is a non event in terms of the outcome for Custer. No matter what happens there he has already played himself into a position where the end gane is inevitable. The only significance of the timber is on how many of the rest survive. Stay all together in the timber and the answer is probably 0, go to the high ground and there is a much better result. Cheers Yes, inevitable in the sense that GAC has to extricate himself from what overwhelming force he encounters on the eastern bluffs.
WO
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Post by welshofficer on May 11, 2015 17:04:23 GMT -6
The Japanese general (Yamashito?)who conquered Singapore was seriously outnumbered at best but still only used by choice about 60% of the forces available to him. Clearly, HE didn't accept the standard and was Japan's best general and most popular (and a war criminal, but for the point....)so Tojo sent him to Manchuria. Jealous. Seems the Brits believed the 3-1 as gospel. So did some US officers. If it's not true above 50-50 in chance, why do we still read about it? DC,
Here you go again.....
Yamashita had some of the finest divisions in the IJA, veterans from the war in China. Percival had 2 badly milked Indian Army divisions in Northern Malaya and a reduced 2 brigade weak Australian Army division in Southern Malaya. Percival, Heath and Bennett could barely stand each other. The sole British Army division (territorials) mostly only arrived in time for the final battle on Singapore Army, by which time the morale of many of the Indian and Australian troops was broken. It was a total mismatch in quality between troops. Like for like, only an idiot attacker happily drops below 3:1.
WO
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Post by quincannon on May 11, 2015 17:38:11 GMT -6
WO: Take it easy on old DC, he thinks totals are important. I guess Gordon must have mentioned that in a footnote to a footnote in an obscure appendix to an annex. He does not understand that mass at the point of decision is what counts achieved by maneuver, and three to one or more is the optimum to have hope of success.
The poor fellow has never perused the Didactic Resume, which is like saying that the Archbishop of Canterbury is not conversant with the Nicene Creed, or to say he has just read the cliff notes on the Book of Common Prayer.
Probably thinks the Little Sisters of the Poor football team is the equal of any team in the NFL just because they are both teams with the same number of personnel on the roster.
Mind numbing.
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Post by Beth on May 11, 2015 17:38:59 GMT -6
Chuck, how much of the POW and TLP do you attribute to just good planning and common sense? I know that people use Sun Tzu for a business as well as war.
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Post by quincannon on May 11, 2015 17:43:48 GMT -6
EVERY GODDAMNED BIT OF IT Beth. Montrose posted Roger's Rules of Ranging a week ago. Go back and read every one and common sense drips from every word.
Sunny is the ultimate primer for common sense in all human activity. First thing you do in life is relieve a giggling concubine of her noggin and everything else falls into place thereafter.
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Post by montrose on May 11, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -6
Chuck, how much of the POW and TLP do you attribute to just good planning and common sense? I know that people use Sun Tzu for a business as well as war. Steve recently posted about use of planning tools by his force. The other board ridicules and despises the MDMP process. I can start a thread on how planning impacts combat. Planning and training create a set of procedures for a unit to use in combat. Doing something for the first time in combat is generally a bad idea. The 7th at LBH was doing everything for the first time. Riding horses, firing mounted, shooting dismounted, range estimation, anything involving two or more companies, anything involving one or more battalions, anything related to a pack train. I can maybe explain this further. Sometimes my posts are so vague, no one knows what I am talking about. I do me best. Don't call me herorest. I even added in rhymes. Hero, I mean no offense, just wanted a rhyme.
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Post by Beth on May 11, 2015 19:04:45 GMT -6
I am confused why anyone would ridicule and/or despise MDMP. You have to have some sort of process with ANY undertaking if you want success. Heck even as kids when we played cowboys and Indians, we would had 'battle plans'
Beth
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Post by Beth on May 11, 2015 19:17:49 GMT -6
EVERY GODDAMNED BIT OF IT Beth. Montrose posted Roger's Rules of Ranging a week ago. Go back and read every one and common sense drips from every word. Sunny is the ultimate primer for common sense in all human activity. First thing you do in life is relieve a giggling concubine of her noggin and everything else falls into place thereafter. I did sort of 'take a kids' head off today over an issue so I must be set. Can you give me a hint where to find Montroses' opus on Rules of Ranging?
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