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Post by herosrest on Mar 12, 2015 18:28:57 GMT -6
Benteen and Reno had axes to grind and the Custer Clan complaint seems rather odd in all respects. The majority of the regiment were happy with things but there were a couple of dissenters who didn't mix well and found the practiced humour and prankishness not to their liking. That's the argument the other way around. Benteen certainly took interest in his men's welfare, Reno was much the arrogant snob and Peter Thompson gave comment of the ranks dislike of the Major. It is odd to my mind how a crowd who are happy and on the same wavelength are tarred as something sinister and unfortunate. The majority of officers were loyal to Custer, what's unusual. Neither Reno or Benteen had family at Fort Lincoln.
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 12, 2015 18:32:22 GMT -6
HR, you may be right, not all of Camp has been published. It resides near DC and QC, as I understand it. I am not sure what remains will give you what you want. You did not have to give us those bubbles to get our attention. We read what is posted.
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 12, 2015 18:40:39 GMT -6
Benteen and Reno had axes to grind and the Custer Clan complaint seems rather odd in all respects. The majority of the regiment were happy with things but there were a couple of dissenters who didn't mix well and found the practiced humour and prankishness not to their liking. That's the argument the other way around. Benteen certainly took interest in his men's welfare, Reno was much the arrogant snob and Peter Thompson gave comment of the ranks dislike of the Major. It is odd to my mind how a crowd who are happy and on the same wavelength are tarred as something sinister and unfortunate. The majority of officers were loyal to Custer, what's unusual. Neither Reno or Benteen had family at Fort Lincoln. Very familiar with photo, in a past life I was the woman 2nd from right.
Regards, Tom
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 18:49:43 GMT -6
Benteen and Reno had axes to grind and the Custer Clan complaint seems rather odd in all respects. The majority of the regiment were happy with things but there were a couple of dissenters who didn't mix well and found the practiced humour and prankishness not to their liking. That's the argument the other way around. Benteen certainly took interest in his men's welfare, Reno was much the arrogant snob and Peter Thompson gave comment of the ranks dislike of the Major. It is odd to my mind how a crowd who are happy and on the same wavelength are tarred as something sinister and unfortunate. The majority of officers were loyal to Custer, what's unusual. Neither Reno or Benteen had family at Fort Lincoln. HR, In your opinion, did the resentment for Custer play any role in the decisions made by Reno and Benteen on the 25th? Thanks Mark
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Post by Beth on Mar 12, 2015 19:37:53 GMT -6
I know that this is a posed picture and not a 'snap shot' but I find the body language interesting. I think some are being themselves but some seem to be playing roles. Custer playing 'favorites' like this picture implies can't have been good for overall morale at FAL. Beth
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Post by dave on Mar 12, 2015 19:59:09 GMT -6
HR In regards to your post
Benteen and Reno had axes to grind and the Custer Clan complaint seems rather odd in all respects. The majority of the regiment were happy with things but there were a couple of dissenters who didn't mix well and found the practiced humour and prankishness not to their liking. That's the argument the other way around. Benteen certainly took interest in his men's welfare, Reno was much the arrogant snob and Peter Thompson gave comment of the ranks dislike of the Major. It is odd to my mind how a crowd who are happy and on the same wavelength are tarred as something sinister and unfortunate. The majority of officers were loyal to Custer, what's unusual. Neither Reno or Benteen had family at Fort Lincoln.
I think I agree. Regards Dave
I am going to bed now I feel a little flushed
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Post by shaw on Mar 12, 2015 21:21:20 GMT -6
Benteen and Reno had axes to grind and the Custer Clan complaint seems rather odd in all respects. The majority of the regiment were happy with things but there were a couple of dissenters who didn't mix well and found the practiced humour and prankishness not to their liking. That's the argument the other way around. Benteen certainly took interest in his men's welfare, Reno was much the arrogant snob and Peter Thompson gave comment of the ranks dislike of the Major. It is odd to my mind how a crowd who are happy and on the same wavelength are tarred as something sinister and unfortunate. The majority of officers were loyal to Custer, what's unusual. Neither Reno or Benteen had family at Fort Lincoln. HR, In your opinion, did the resentment for Custer play any role in the decisions made by Reno and Benteen on the 25th? Thanks Mark Mark, This is dangerous ground because it is at best speculation. I think that circumstances overrode resentment for Custer once the battle had begun. I don't believe that Reno and Benteen believed that Custer was in a fight to the death. They knew he was engaged because they could hear the gunfire. Not once did they ever say, he's in a bad way and we need to go support him. Only a Weir was truly motivated to ride to the sound of gunfire. Reno and Benteen had enough of their own problems. The march to Weir Point and back was an attempt to keep their command together and go to the sound of the guns mostly instigated by Weir's move northward without orders to do so. Weir left Reno hill followed by Benteen and Reno. Several days later Reno and Benteen were looking down at a Custer's body on last stand hill. That's the moment I believe that they understood what had really happened. Until then the last thing in their mind was that Custer's command had been wiped out. So did their resentment played a role? Not overtly. But this is simply my humble opinion. Shaw
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Post by Beth on Mar 12, 2015 21:54:58 GMT -6
HR, In your opinion, did the resentment for Custer play any role in the decisions made by Reno and Benteen on the 25th? Thanks Mark Are you seriously suggesting that either Reno or Benteen would let 200 some men and officers die because they didn't like Custer?
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Post by dave on Mar 12, 2015 22:23:48 GMT -6
SF It is offensive to infer or even suggest the thought Benteen and Reno might have allowed 208 plus fellow soldiers die over petty and spiteful actions by others in the regiment. That is a poorly thought out question I would think. Regards Dave
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Post by welshofficer on Mar 12, 2015 22:28:24 GMT -6
Are you seriously suggesting that either Reno or Benteen would let 200 some men and officers die because they didn't like Custer?
Beth,
Why go through this nonsense?
Reno had a whipped 3 company battalion. Moylan was amongst the survivors.
That meant Benteen had a whipped battalion and a pack train to inherit. Weir was with him in his own small battalion.
Moylan and Weir were in the GAC clan, yes?
There were badlands between them and GAC.
GAC had 2 battalions, and deployed himself nearer to Terry.
It was a tactical mess, not of Reno or Benteen's making.
If GAC was in trouble, the onus was on him to get back to the rest of his regiment or northwards to Terry. Not to get fixed on LSH.
WO
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Post by Beth on Mar 12, 2015 22:52:05 GMT -6
Are you seriously suggesting that either Reno or Benteen would let 200 some men and officers die because they didn't like Custer?
Beth,
Why go through this nonsense?
Reno had a whipped 3 company battalion. Moylan was amongst the survivors.
That meant Benteen had a whipped battalion and a pack train to inherit. Weir was with him in his own small battalion.
Moylan and Weir were in the GAC clan, yes?
There were badlands between them and GAC.
GAC had 2 battalions, and deployed himself nearer to Terry.
It was a tactical mess, not of Reno or Benteen's making.
If GAC was in trouble, the onus was on him to get back to the rest of his regiment or northwards to Terry. Not to get fixed on LSH.
WO
I know, I know. I keep hoping that Mark will cross over from the dark side but he is never going to drop his grand conspiracy theory. Once you truly believe that there are conspiracies envolvedn in an event, it's hard to take your brain to the spot where you understand that things make more sense when they happen in a natural and organic way like Fred proves in his timeline. However implying that Reno and Benteen didn't try their best to reach Custer because they didn't like him makes just about as much sense as saying that Captain Smith ran his ship into an iceberg because he didn't like Bruce Ismay. I agree neither Reno or Benteen could have aided Custer in any way regardless of all the pet theories people want to hang onto. If anything should have trying to aid someone, it should have perhaps been Custer riding to Reno's defense. Beth
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Post by shaw on Mar 12, 2015 23:28:19 GMT -6
Mark, I don't think there was a conspiracy. Reno and Benteen didn't decide to not support Custer. In my opinion, as stated before, they really couldn't. Reno was whipped and Benteen stayed to help him at Reno's request. Benteen was on his way (Big Village...be quick) when he ran into Reno.
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Post by mac on Mar 13, 2015 1:39:41 GMT -6
Benteen and Reno had axes to grind and the Custer Clan complaint seems rather odd in all respects. The majority of the regiment were happy with things but there were a couple of dissenters who didn't mix well and found the practiced humour and prankishness not to their liking. That's the argument the other way around. Benteen certainly took interest in his men's welfare, Reno was much the arrogant snob and Peter Thompson gave comment of the ranks dislike of the Major. It is odd to my mind how a crowd who are happy and on the same wavelength are tarred as something sinister and unfortunate. The majority of officers were loyal to Custer, what's unusual. Neither Reno or Benteen had family at Fort Lincoln. Very familiar with photo, in a past life I was the woman 2nd from right.
Regards, Tom
Tom I think I love you, even if you are not quite as handsome as the woman 2nd from the right. Made me spill a very nice Cabernet Sauvignon with your comment. Cheers
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Post by mac on Mar 13, 2015 1:45:18 GMT -6
To get back to the point. The notion that Reno and Benteen deliberately failed to go to Custer and left him and his men to their fate is pathetic. Not only that, it is also shows a complete lack of appreciation of how real history is done. No balanced interpretation of the evidence can lead to that conclusion. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 5:31:02 GMT -6
Mark, I don't think there was a conspiracy. Reno and Benteen didn't decide to not support Custer. In my opinion, as stated before, they really couldn't. Reno was whipped and Benteen stayed to help him at Reno's request. Benteen was on his way (Big Village...be quick) when he ran into Reno. Shaw, I don't believe there was an orchestrated conspiracy against Custer, but I do believe resentment and hatred played a part in their actions, particularly Benteen's, and the decision making process. The contempt that Benteen held for Custer was evident before the 25th, on the 25th, and during his RCOI testimony. After dispatching Martini, Custer received word of Benteen & the pack train location and speed from Boston. Custer would have expected that Benteen would be shortly entering the fight. Reno retreats, Benteen joins him and effectively removes 7 companies from the fight. Vital information that neither Benteen nor Reno believed warranted dispatching a messenger to GAC. GAC was expecting all 12 companies to be engaged simultaneously, Benteen removed his command from the operation, ignored the orders, and left GAC to fend for himself with 5 companies. As Benteen stated himself, he didn't give it a second thought and figured GAC could look after himself. Is that his decision to make? He had orders. Mark
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