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Post by quincannon on Jan 21, 2014 15:23:16 GMT -6
Guilty as charged Billy, and I said so in my previous post. It was in fact a response from an attack on another thread which perhaps you did not read. I would have said the same thing to him if he had called you a racist. If you ever called me a racist I am liable to respond in kind to you as well.
Enough said Billy. I took no pleasure in going after you, and I think you know that.
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Post by Margaret on Jan 21, 2014 15:46:20 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/95460/thread" Diane, the initial posts of Helford's was OK as he put some thought and research into his post..... Billy ...well,....thank you... that's nice to know... I can see my posts struck a chord with you sir... ...it's not a problem... but it did make me chuckle a bit here.... do take care.. Margaret
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Post by Margaret on Jan 21, 2014 15:54:17 GMT -6
...I must just thank Mrs Merkel for her kind words of support earlier and also to Fred in particular.... who's appreciation I think I don't always deserve....
...My first post on this thread suited the board title....''Independent Research''....''share interesting bits of information you have discovered'' ..''no arguments here''.... well, I think I conformed to that, even if it was most un-interesting to a majority.... I would have expected that...and did not demand a response actually.. so I was pleasantly surprised...
...the ''no arguments'' bit has nothing to do with me.... my exchanges with all on this thread, including Mr Wild, have been fairly mild I would say, and non-threatening.. even if a little exasperating at times....
...as an infrequent visitor I have no personal issue with anyone.. and if someone talks to me.. then I shall respond... it wouldn't be my nature not to do so, and I am always prepared to listen....
...what has peeved me off a little here... is the suggestion from one or two people... who haven't really participated in this, therefore I take it that they have no real interest in the subject matter... which is fine.... that my thread should be summarily despatched to some nether region or obliterated altogether..... I'm disappointed at this... I wouldn't dream of barging in on anyone's discussion to suggest it be removed elsewhere.....simply because it was of no interest to me....
...hope to talk to some of you again soon...
Mr Quincannon, I have looked up those two books about The Alamo you mentioned... the Hansen book I think is not for me at that price... equivalent to perhaps 250 dollars. Donovan's though I might go for at some point... I must admit my lack of knowledge on this, I hadn't realised they were all killed... so eyewitness accounts are all from the other side.... and Mr Travis was so young to be such a leader of men....
...well.. perhaps not...thinking of Robert Gould Shaw...
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Post by fred on Jan 21, 2014 15:56:21 GMT -6
I am new and probably have no right to say this. You have every damn right in the world to say it, Tom. You have earned your spurs here, regardless of how long you have been on these boards and regardless of how much or how little you know. You have a right, simply because you have an interest. Period. What is especially cogent is the fact you are new and you have already recognized the rot a troll like "wild" brings to this board. Some become inured to it and that's why it is tolerated. Believe me when I tell you: in the past I have been as guilty as anyone and I regret some of my temper tantrums, especially when they were directed at Merkel and Markland. And DC, to be totally honest. So I am like old "Red" in Shawshank... "yes, sonny, not a day goes by when I do not regret...." So let me ask all of you a question.... What would be lost to everyone who posts here were "wild" to leave? And don't give me the hypocritical, high-handed claptrap about the 1st Amendment. Remember, the 1st Amendment protected the likes of George Lincoln Rockwell, too. Then compare it to the loss of a QC or a DC or Ian... or, for that matter, as little as he posts nowadays, a Markland? I wouldn't trade five seconds of my telephone conversations with Billy for all the GD "wilds" in the world. Now please excuse me... I have to say a novena for my college basketball team and its suffering coach. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by justvisiting on Jan 21, 2014 16:40:47 GMT -6
<snip> Now please excuse me... I have to say a novena for my college basketball team and its suffering coach. Best wishes, Fred. You did see Creighton blow out 'Nova last night didn't you? That new Big East is a competitive league so far. By the way, the daughter is going to Creighton. Be good, and I will call again someday. Life has been interesting. Billy
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Post by justvisiting on Jan 21, 2014 16:42:09 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/95460/thread" Diane, the initial posts of Helford's was OK as he put some thought and research into his post..... Billy ...well,....thank you... that's nice to know... I can see my posts struck a chord with you sir... ...it's not a problem... but it did make me chuckle a bit here.... do take care.. Margaret I'm good, not perfect! Billy
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Post by wild on Jan 21, 2014 16:47:58 GMT -6
I fear Tubman then I would have to offer in evidence the PMs I have from Fred praising my contriubtions to the board and urging me on to attack DC, might be an eye opener for you and an embarrassment for Fred. As for quimcannons PMs the less said the better. ps And a word to the wise there is nothing wrong with sniping provided that your direction is correct and that is out of Fred's tent. Best wishes and enjoy the honeymoon.
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Post by quincannon on Jan 21, 2014 16:54:06 GMT -6
Helford: Hansen is expensive. Its value lies in that it contains all the original documents, known at the time of publication which was not all that long ago. I expect you could find it at a library or through inter-library loan. If you need further details to enable you to request it let me know.
Before this all blew up I was about to respond to your previous question. Why is the Alamo an American story as opposed to being confined to Texas. It is neither. In reality it is a world story. Modernity has clouded its true meaning though, in much the same manner as the original subject of this thread. The real story, what lies beneath is as much a part of man's quest for self governance, every bit as much as the misunderstanding between our two nations that resulted in Lexington and Concord. To be taxed without being represented. To be told without having a say in who the teller was.
I am no fan of Travis as a commander. I stand in awe of him as a leader.
All being killed is still the subject of some question. There may have been a very few that did escape. One thing is for sure though. The majority of the fighting, the most bitter took place outside the walls on ground now mostly occupied by the River Walk extension and River Center.
Fred: Jesuitical intervention will see you through.
Tom That would be interesting, but I have no desire to see this thing continue one second longer, and I suspect others would agree. Take what Chris told you very seriously. I confess to you that I went back and forth about how this happened for a very long time. I had the maps. I read the books, but somehow nothing made complete sense to me. I will even tell you that at one time I was in the quick and dirty camp. All that changed when I saw that battlefield. It was then I understood why those questions in my mind existed. Some still do. Fred and I are in general agreement as to flow. That is not at all surprising for we went to the same school. We do differ in detail, but nothing very significant. That's OK with both of us. What I would like you to do is compose a trip report of impressions after your visit. Another friend of mine who lives in Gaithersburg did this same thing at my request. He had never served a day in the military and his observations were, well insightful is not a good enough word.
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Post by fred on Jan 21, 2014 17:16:10 GMT -6
You did see Creighton blow out 'Nova last night didn't you? That new Big East is a competitive league so far. By the way, the daughter is going to Creighton. And it wasn't even that close!! I saw, at one point, Creighton led by 41. I am very pleased with the new Big East. I do miss UConn, however, but I understand why they weren't asked to join the Catholic Seven... and it wasn't because UConn isn't a Catholic school. Georgetown lost its best player: academics last season, then a torn ACL over the summer, and then he withdrew from school. Next thing you know, their 6-10, 350 pound starting center is out because of academics and another starter gets his jaw broken. Then, their starting forward-- a senior-- gets his nose broken and is playing, but tentatively. So it seems like it's going to be a long season. They don't have a long bench and people wonder why they are giving up big leads deep into the send half: 17 points, 12 points, seven points. In yesterday's loss their starting guards scored 52 of the 72 points... they just wore out. However, those kids never quit, no matter what, and that's what has always made those teams special to me. I am delighted to hear your daughter is at Creighton. It would be tough to do better. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on Jan 21, 2014 17:29:27 GMT -6
It may not be fair to put Diane in such a spot as to have her pull the trigger. I have another idea, if it could be done online. Tom, Diane will know what to do. I trust her judgment explicitly. As for the UCMJ idea, while I admire your sense of fair play, it would provide too much legitimacy to the idiot. You see, the problem with a trial, per se, is that it wouldn't point out his hypocrisy: it isn't what you say, so much, as it is when you say it, so he could always beg off. Hell, look at the way Chuck and I have gone at it a couple of times; there were no bigger battles than those between me and DC. Those days are past, however, never to return. That is why we have apologies. It is also why we feel sorry for people at times. With "wild," those times have long passed. Remember something: Japan and Germany are our two best allies. Now chogie back to 1944 and tell me the same thing.... Right? The bottom line to me is simple: "wild" has never... not once... not in a single, solitary post, contributed a thing to these boards. He has offered no support, no evidence, no proper theory... nothing. All he has done is condemn, snipe, mock, deride others, and pick fights where he knows they will take effect. He is a leech. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by wild on Jan 21, 2014 17:53:42 GMT -6
Awful pity you did not tell me you had kissed and made up.Fred urges you onto battle and when you turn around you find him waving a white flag.Who would go to battle with him? Fred knows the power of praise.Great to be in the warm glow of Fred's praise.Great to be in the Fred tent.But be warned ya gotta pay a price;and that is your independence. He equates his wars with others on the board to past wars with Germany and Japan.His mate DC better described it as the "girls bus". Who wants to be in my gang? Get a life Fred, it is only General Custer for God's sake.
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Post by justvisiting on Jan 21, 2014 18:47:19 GMT -6
Helford, you might copy and paste your posts to another medium in case Diane does delete this thread and asks us to start over on your topic with discussion rather than squabbling. Just an FYI for the new folks. Several of us on this board: Steve (AZ Ranger), DC, Hunkpapa, Alfuso, and others) have been disagreeing and disliking Wild since at least 2004 originating on the Against All Odds message board. So, if someone misconstrues that I'm taking his part, please re-evaluate. By the way, the URL for the AAO message boards which do have some good information is: mohicanpress.com/messageboard2/default.aspBilly
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Post by fred on Jan 21, 2014 20:18:30 GMT -6
...what has peeved me off a little here... is the suggestion from one or two people... who haven't really participated in this, therefore I take it that they have no real interest in the subject matter... which is fine.... that my thread should be summarily despatched to some nether region or obliterated altogether..... I'm disappointed at this... I wouldn't dream of barging in on anyone's discussion to suggest it be removed elsewhere.....simply because it was of no interest to me.... Helford, Sorry I am so late in making a response to this post, but skimming through all this stuff, I just noticed it. I think you may be referring to "justvisiting"-- aka, Billy Markland-- here. Please let me give you some background. Billy is one of the oldest posters on these boards... oldest, meaning, most traveled. I originally started in September 2005 and Billy was already here, having come over from the AAO boards... I believe. I have been on and off, sometimes blowing my own hissy-fit, mostly I think because it took me a while to get used to personalities and the inability of most of us to convey our feelings through this medium. I got into a number of battles I now regret and I have spent a lot of personal "capital" trying to make up for bad and even miserable behavior. Fights with Diane and DC are cases in point. Both of those people, however, showed me how to do things and proved they were-- and are-- better people than I am. There are some others, as well, but those two stick in my mind the most. I also feel Diane and her husband-- both of who were at one time very, very prominent in the LBHA organization-- got a raw deal just because they tried to make changes they thought would improve the group as a whole, but that's a whole different issue, weighing, however, on what we are faced with now. The Merkels' rift with the LBHA led to a splitting of the boards, the LBHA beginning a new one. Some members left here and joined the new boards, solely; others remained; still others became members of both. The friction extended to the other boards and Markland, always supporting Diane, made life miserable for some next door. In fact, I think at one point he was banned over there until I raised some hell with the moderator and Billy was allowed back in, albeit under a new moniker... but that was just a face-saving device. I also think Diane may have booted one or two off these boards and they found a home next door. If she did, she had good reason. And while those boards have prospered, I find them a bit less "erudite" than here (that is probably primarily due to DC). Markland has always been willing to share and contribute and he has helped me immensely in the LBH work I have done, so much so, that I have acknowledged his help in the book I had published and in the new one yet to see the light of day. In fact, I consider Billy the finest researcher of anything to do with the army of the old American West. And he shares it at call! It is my opinion Billy meant no harm to your thread or even any of your posts. Unfortunately, the thread became the vehicle for the continuation of the constant battles between "wild" and others, and after a while the bickering becomes really old. You, yourself, became embroiled... somewhat... and I feel there is no call to accept it or put up with it. It appears to me Billy popped in, saw it, and through years of having to deal with this type of nonsense, felt "Independent Research" was the one area sacrosanct and immune to the antics of idiots like "wild." In other words, "research"-- which your thread qualified for-- and not dumb, unsubstantiated opinions. Research: something anathema to the likes of "wild." To bore you further... my wife and I were over some friends' house recently. They are a couple-- younger than us: 38 and 43-- with a 10-year old child. We were discussing something-- an adult conversation-- and the child was with us at the table, something the mother allows. One of us would say something and the child would comment. That is, until I told her this was an adult conversation, what we were discussing was none of her business, and she was to be silent. Her mother said nothing, simply because she knew I was correct and if she had, I would have left. She values our mutual friendship too much. Well, that's what happens here, previously and now. You get into a serious discussion, trying to learn something, and you have this clown sniping at your heels, cracking derogatory comments in your wake, all of which are unnecessary, especially since the only ones providing any substance for their positions are those interested in the discussion. "Wild" has never provided anything other than imbecilic opinions. Some, I am sure, have agreed with his "opinions"; I know I have at times, but I will not put up with his trash-talk or his mockery. People complain I throw around insults too freely, but when you look at what people like "wild" provide, you see his comments are considerably more pernicious than my mere barbs. My barbs, however... my insults... strike the chord because they are publicly inflammatory and people take note... and umbrage. Then again, that's precisely what I want. I want people to know exactly what I think of clowns like "wild." Vividly. Enough... believe me, Billy Markland is the last person who would see you lose the thread or the information you have posted. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jan 21, 2014 23:03:56 GMT -6
These boards were started almost ten years ago, and I can count on one hand the number of people who have been banned. Unlike the Governor of New York, I have always welcomed different points of view, even those I personally found absurd. Every once in a while, someone's posts became so outrageous as to be intolerable so they were banned.
I was going to let Wild disappear on his own for awhile -- not ban him but ask that he not post for a while -- until I saw his last two posts. I don't like threats, and I find the threat to publish private communications intolerable. His attitude in the last post makes it clear he isn't going to stop the bickering. Past experience has proven he is not a man of his word -- he always begs for forgiveness and promptly repeats the sin --therefore, I have decided to ban Wild.
Thank you all for expressing your opinions. I value them all.
Billy, I'm not moving or deleting this thread since the person who started it wants it to stay here.
Best to all,
Diane
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Post by fred on Jan 22, 2014 8:38:20 GMT -6
Hopefully this will break the ice...
Personally, I never like to see anyone banned, but I believe this to be the right decision. I hope Diane's action ends the dissension and will allow us to discuss this event in a kinder, more gentle way. I, for one, make a pledge-- right now-- not to get involved in any more of this type of thing and to refrain from putting down posters, new or old. I hope to only share knowledge and to participate in the knowledge of others. Anyone who feels I have violated this "oath" is free to take me to task about it and I shall defer.
Best wishes, Fred.
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