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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 7, 2015 6:16:48 GMT -6
Watch out Scar he is not finished with you yet! Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 7, 2015 10:01:37 GMT -6
And that is a G model B17, with an FW190. The depiction is probably during 1944.
Swen and Oley would probably say them Fokker's were BF109G's but not I. Fokker's is Fokker's and BF's is BF's and never the FW twain shall meet.
The Spitfire is one of my favorites too Mark. While the classic Mark II and Mark V are the most popular, I tend to go for the bubble canopy versions, as having the cleanest lines of them all.
You picture is one that I could not expand as an aid in identification. I had to look long and hard at it to come up with it being an FW. That illustrates though the of identification of aircraft in flight, and gives an appreciation of just how difficult it is. The FW was often misidentified as a Jug or visa versa in combat, and it always turned out to be deadly.
I would be interested in your views, by PM of which was the better air defense fighter the FW190 or BF109.
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Post by Colt45 on Feb 8, 2015 7:50:24 GMT -6
Beth, I too love WW! aircraft. My favorite is the Fokker Triplane. I built numerous models of the tripe when I was a kid, even built a radio controlled tripe and flew it. It was almost like being on the ground in WW1 watching that plane fly. Later as an adult, and also a flight instructor, I was teaching a young lady to fly in a Cessna taildragger and it turned out her husband had built a full-scale Fokker triplane. He flew it to the airport one day before my scheduled lesson with her and I got to sit in it for a while. When taking off with his wife for her lesson, we did a formation takeoff with the tripe. Imagine how my boyhood fascination soared when I looked out at my "wingman" and saw a real triplane off my right wing. Man, I was in WW1 air combat looking for Sopwith Camels to mix it up with.
WW2 aircraft have a great appeal as well. For my 50th birthday, my wife set me up with a flight in a P51 in Kissimee, FL. We flew down there in my twin, and being a flight instructor, the gentleman that I flew with in the mustang let me fly the plane the entire hour scheduled. I was amazed at how easy that airplane was to fly, and also how noisy it was in that cockpit, even though I had earplugs in underneath a military flight helmet. All the horror stories I had read about how nasty WW2 airplanes were when you stalled one were completely bogus. That airplane was a pure joy to fly. The plane had cameras in the cockpit, under a wing, and mounted on the tail, and the guest pilot gets his entire flight recorded. I have watched that flight many times since actually flying the plane and it brings back the thrill everytime. Best of all, I was able to log the flight time as dual instruction received, and I am the only one at my airport with genuine P-51 time. You can imagine the bragging rights I have on that one.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 8, 2015 12:57:08 GMT -6
ME BF 109G Wingspan: 32 ft Length: 29 ft Engine: 12 cylinder – 1.475 HP Ceiling: 38.500 ft Speed: 387 mph Armament: 2 x 13mm & 2 x 20mm Guns
FW 190A Wingspan: 34 ft Length: 29 ft Engine: 14 cylinder – 1.700 HP Ceiling: 37.400 ft Speed: 408 mph Armament: 2 x 13mm & 2 x 20mm Guns
Chuck, for me the FW shades it, but then it would be down to pilot and how much experience he had.
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Post by Beth on Feb 8, 2015 13:13:27 GMT -6
I can imagine! When I first met hubby I was into horses, WWII birds until he took me to an airshow and then I was hooked. It would have been a thrill to see the tripe flying, anywhere, anytime. Old Rhinebeck has one so we did get to see it fligh, It wasn' in the Red Baron's color at the time but I am drawing a blank on who's colors it was. It's been about 30 years go so my memory gets iffy on details. I do know it was the colors of someone else in the Flying Circus. If you are interested in WWI planes you would enjoy a trip to Old Rhinebeck I believe. Add to the mix that that whole area of the country is drop dead gorgeous and it's a win, win.
One of the airshows we went to we heard that the next day when they were going to be flying out they were going to go in a B17 P51 formation as a salute to some local vets. We got up very early the next day and headed back to the airport. It was Steve and myself plus several dozen WWII vets. The planes didn't leave until like 1 in the afternoon because of a problem but in the mean time it was a morning spent listening to some absolutely fabulous stories from people who had actually flown in combat. I have been so lucky in my life to have had the chance to spend time like that.
I wonder if while Custer was trying to make out the size of the village, if he wished he had his observation balloon
Beth
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 8, 2015 13:21:43 GMT -6
Well he had been up in one as an Army Engineer.
Ian.
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davewilma
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I recommend a full size topo map of the battlefield to aid study.
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Post by davewilma on Nov 22, 2018 12:33:01 GMT -6
"At 1050, Custer gathered his officers and detailed his new plan and the organization of the column. He directed each company commander to assign one noncommissioned officer and six men to accompany the pack train. The companies would depart in the order in which they finished preparations to move. The troopers resumed their march at 1145, with Captain Frederick W. Benteen's company in the van." Has there been any information or analysis why Custer divided his companies as he did? Reno got A, G, and M. Was this a function of seniority or was there some other rationale at play? Among twelve company commanders some would have been viewed by Custer as stronger than others.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Nov 22, 2018 13:45:06 GMT -6
I think that Custer wanted his buddies to join him on his little swaray over the bluffs, he would have got D Company too commanded by Weir if Benteen hadn't kicked up a fuss about needing another company in his battalion for his scout.
Ian.
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davewilma
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Post by davewilma on Dec 4, 2018 9:36:55 GMT -6
I think that Custer wanted his buddies to join him on his little swaray over the bluffs But there is no scholarship with Custer's rationale?
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Post by Yan Taylor on Dec 4, 2018 11:22:36 GMT -6
I don't understand? But just look at the officers who went with him;
Calhoun, Smith, Yates and Cook. Keogh was on the fringe of this group but not a full paid up member, but Weir was one of the boys so to speak.
So out of the five companies that went with him, four where either related or close friends of the Custer's, Keogh was the only one but he features of one of the photos of the clan so also add Weir to that group and bingo you have a full house.
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Post by crzhrs on Dec 5, 2018 14:43:06 GMT -6
It is obvious that Custer wanted his "yes men" with him who would do whatever he ordered without questioning him.
Benteen (foe) was sent off on a scout (wild goose chase?) and Reno (disliked) was ordered to attack a village (somewhere) either running or stationery while Custer and his "clan" rode off to victory.
Nepotism runs deep in the military, government and business with results that vary from successful to disastrous!
An Officer/CEO/Business Owner who doesn't accept criticism or different points of view will ultimately fail!
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