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[markland]

Not politically correct but...

Why the Indians lost North America:

tinyurl.com/gffsc



Billy

[bubbabod]

Billy, maybe not PC, but funny.

[El Crab]

That's a good'n. And to think, I saw The New World today...

[Dietmar]

treasuredude and historynut1876,

good to know I am not the only hardrock/metal freak here on this board

Just to make you envious: next week I´ll go to a festival with Whitesnake, Def Leppard, Queensryche and Journey here in Germany! I will bang my head for you

Keep on rockin´

Dietmar

[markland]

Lest we forget...

Pvt. John Hibbard, Co. H, 14 Inf. died 6/25/1867 at Camp Whipple, A.T. of diabetes.

First Sergeant William Lang, Co. B, 16 Inf. died 6/25/1884 at Ft. Concho, TX of an aneurism.

Recruit John Andrews, Co. I, 2 Cav (later 5 Cav.) died 6/25/1855 at Jefferson Barracks, MO of disease-unspecified.

Pvt. Henry Fuller, Co. E, 7 Inf. died 6/25/1870 at Ft. Benton, MT from convulsions.

[El Crab]

markland said:

Lest we forget...

Pvt. John Hibbard, Co. H, 14 Inf. died 6/25/1867 at Camp Whipple, A.T. of diabetes.

First Sergeant William Lang, Co. B, 16 Inf. died 6/25/1884 at Ft. Concho, TX of an aneurism.

Recruit John Andrews, Co. I, 2 Cav (later 5 Cav.) died 6/25/1855 at Jefferson Barracks, MO of disease-unspecified.

Pvt. Henry Fuller, Co. E, 7 Inf. died 6/25/1870 at Ft. Benton, MT from convulsions.

Jeez, as if June 25 wasn't already a bad day for the US Army.

[markland]

Jeez, as if June 25 wasn't already a bad day for the US Army.

Crab, there were plenty of bad days for the Army during that period of which LBH was the most noteworthy. However, there were episodes of equal or greater pathos but less flamboyance all around the army of the west. Most usually were caused by disease, cholera the most prominent culprit but yellow fever killed more soldiers in Texas than Comanches or Kiowas did. For instance, yellow fever killed 111 men in the 17th Infantry alone bet. August and November, 1867. The 17th had been hit the year before with cholera although not as badly as the 4th Cav. A quick pivot table-the spreadsheet is getting too, too big for those silly things-shows that of the 3,762 Army soldiers whose deaths I have entered and who had a cause of death recorded, 369 died of cholera alone. The Army lost to the Indians, in Killed or Died of Wounds in Action, 692-including Fetterman, LBH, most of White Bird Canyon, the Infernal Caverns, Beaver Creek, Capt. Jack's Stronghold and Kidder's detachment.

For pathos, imagine the shipload of recruits out of New York bound for California and assignments in the 14th Infantry or 8th Cavalry. Cholera struck while they were going upstream on the Nicaragua river. Or the predicament of the 38th Infantry, marching out of Jefferson Barracks, Missouri bound for Fts. Harker & Wallace in Kansas and Union in New Mexico. Not until too late did they realize that they were infected with cholera and then the dying began. Look at the Ft. Harker interment register at this URL to get an idea of the scope of the dying.

www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/military/ks.htm

The first page (112), is not visible, the author forgot to include the .jpg suffix on the image. Here is the correct URL:

www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/military/vitals/images/burialreg/v1-112.jpg

Particularly poignant which I have not itemized but did notice while going through the enlistment registers for 1866 is the case of the transport San Salvador bound for New Orleans from New York. Cholera struck while outbound down the coast with such ferocity that the ship had to off-load the recruits onto Tybee Island, Georga. The ship departed with a mean strength of 476 recruits, etc., 112 died between July 18-31, 1866. Things were so bad that recruits, and inhabitants of Tybee Island were trying to escape through the swamps and drowning. Of the ten white inhabitants of the island, nine came down with cholera and five died. "The tenth escaped, and was reported in the newspapers as having died of cholera in the interior of Georgia, making the entire number of deaths one hundred and twenty-one." The preceding is from the report of William Carroll, Brvt. Major and Assistant Surgeon U.S. Volunteers.

Be good,

Billy

[Rabble]

[/quote]

Jeez, as if June 25 wasn't already a bad day for the US Army. [/quote]

June 25 1950 South Korea was invaded by North Korea and, later, the Chinese - the consequences being about 35,000 dead for the U.S. forces. The wounded numbered over 140,000.
The war has still not finished - just a cease fire since 1953!

Ron

[markland]

I was looking into pre-Civil War regimental returns today and ran into a jaw-breaker. In late November, 1848, the 8th Infantry Regiment left Jefferson Barracks, Missouri bound for Texas via New Orleans. After arriving in Texas (sorry, the date is out in the truck with my research bag), they marched in two wings towards what is now Ft. Worth, Texas. Somewhere on the first or second day of the march, cholera broke out. By the time it was all over, some two weeks later, 128 men had died. A further 10 men (I believe) died early in January from cholera-related illnesses.

I will get the exact details as far as dates, etc. the next time I go outside to brave the heat and turn the BBQ'd chicken on the charcoal grill.

Just something to add to you all's treasury of useless knowledge.

Be good,

Billy

[markland]

To get back to what is really important....baseball.

I found this quote on The Sporting News website while looking to see if mass suicides were occurring in Beantown as a result of their sweep by the Royals.

From the Todd Jones blog:

"One of the great visits by a pitching coach occurred in 1991, when Mark Portugal was pitching for the Astros and Bob Cluck was his pitching coach. In a game at Cincinnati, Portugal gave up back-to-back-to-back homers with fireworks exploding after each one. So Cluck strolled out to the mound after the third homer. Portugal was livid and asked Cluck what he was doing out there. Cluck replied that he was just giving the guy time to reload the fireworks.

What could Portugal say after that?"

[Tricia]

Billy ... as Crzhrs is on les vacances, allow me to answer for him:


ARRRGGGHHHHH!!

Of course, you know ... this means war.

[crzhrs]

I'm back . . . and am offended by the attacks on my BOSOX . . . after being swept by Kansas (Help me, Lord!) they have now won 3 straight against Baltimore and lo and behold are now only 1 game behind the Yankees!

The Sox & Yankees will play a 5 game series this weekend in Boston and the winner of the series will more than likely be the division winner.

[markland]

This should get the juices flowing:

www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/front/15267836.htm

This deals with ongoing "controversy" on whether certain murals in the EPA building are "rascist" or "untruthful to history."

Billy

[Tricia]

Crzhrs--

Well, take some comfort. The hated Deadbirds were swept by the Bucs. Seems the members of the Fecal League want to take the hides off the contenders! With my beloved Cubbies, we're down to Carlos (Zambrano) and the Kiddies ... just yesterday the starter, Marmol, walked EIGHT batters. Beats the heck outta me.

This is gonna be a long last month and a half ...

[Tricia]

markland said:

This should get the juices flowing:

Perhaps. I think when it comes to art and its history, you have to look at the work within the context of its time. If we look at most popular culture of the 30s, Indians of history were still overwhelmingly portrayed as savages and enemy to well-meaning Anglos. I don't think the mural should be trashed in a knee jerk reaction, but should serve as a reminder of how far racial understanding has come in this country ... and from where it came.