|
Post by elisabeth on Jan 22, 2007 6:34:37 GMT -6
There's a curious thing on Benteen's map of the battle -- the one included as an end-paper in the Stackpole edition of the RCOI. He marks a point "M" well to the north of LSH, which he captions: "Ravine off here contains 30 bodies which were not found or buried". Now if they weren't found, how does he know they were there, we ask, but perhaps by "found" he means "identified"? Odd, though. The number is suspiciously close to the number attributed to Deep Ravine, but he's drawn and captioned Deep Ravine quite clearly in its proper position, so he can't be confusing the two. I'm not aware of anyone else mentioning these extra 30 bodies ...
Maybe even the unflappable Benteen was shaken into inaccuracy by the horror of it all -- as he's also written across the main battlefield, "We buried 303 bodies on this field alone!".
|
|
|
Post by crzhrs on Jan 22, 2007 10:12:08 GMT -6
AZ:
I also have that booklet . . . got it years ago and is very graphic in its details . . . mutilations, flies, stench, conditions of bodies, etc.
Highly recommended . . . but read it on an empty stomach!
|
|
|
Post by clw on Jan 22, 2007 12:05:22 GMT -6
Could someone please provide information on getting a copy of the ROCI? I can't seem to find it and the online edition is so laborious to use.
|
|
|
Post by harpskiddie on Jan 22, 2007 17:08:54 GMT -6
Sister
There are a few different published versions: Nichols, Graham, and Utley all did supposedly complete transcripts, and there is another version compiled by the newspaper writers of the time. They were initially forbidden to take notes of the testimony, and used to cover the proceedings in shifts and transcribe from memory.
The best place to look for these and any other books is through a book seller service, such as Abebooks, Amazon and etc. There are several of these on the Net. Sometimes you can find a good deal on Ebay for something you really want, including the RCOI - I've seen one or two recently.
Gordie ;D
|
|
|
Post by crzhrs on Jan 23, 2007 8:14:47 GMT -6
Graham's "condensed" version is available in book form. I have it. I think the official transcript on the Web is far more informative and has the full testimony.
And if you are really ambitious and have the time you can print the web version.
|
|
|
Post by elisabeth on Jan 23, 2007 10:27:45 GMT -6
I wouldn't recommend the Graham/Stackpole one, apart from for the Benteen map. It's too condensed by far. Plus you only get the testimony, not the questions, whereas in the online version it's often illuminating in courtroom-drama terms to see where the questioner's going wih a particular line of enquiry.
I don't know what the Nichols or Utley versions are like, but unless they truly are complete, crzhrs's suggestion is as good as any!
|
|
|
Post by clw on Jan 23, 2007 10:46:42 GMT -6
I considered printing it, now I know it's worth the effort. Thanks, all!
|
|
|
Post by ALittleHawk on Mar 12, 2012 23:09:38 GMT -6
Greetings I am new to this forum. I am going to repeat what I heard from my cousin Stella Runnels. Stella descends from Red Cloud. Her mother Maude Sears a Lakota Sioux married into our family of Colvilles (San Poil). I have been doing a documentary on Stella and her involvement in the Occupation of Alcatraz and her activities as an activist during her long life time. She left us in January 2009 at age 92. During the filming we began to speak of Crazy Horse who is also in Stella's lineage. This discussion led to a conversation about Stella's Auntie Bad Wound whom Stella told us was one of three women who were "allowed to desecrate/mutilate the body of Custer after he was killed. She claimed it was Auntie Bad Wound who had "tampered" with his penis, because he had at some time raped all three of the women. Custer was apparently felled by one Buffalo Calf Road Woman a Cheyenne. (Stella's great grandmother incidentally was named White Buffalo Calf Woman but I believe she was a Lakota) Furthermore Stella mentioned a "medicine bundle" which Auntie Maude kept hidden on a top shelf in a closet in her home on our reservation. The bundle was reported to have belonged to Crazy Horse, and contained, a piece of a blonde scalp, a horses tail, a broken down chanupa (as was the custom to break down a ceremonial pipe when not being used) and some medicinal herbs and something else, but I'd need to review the tapes to remember. After Auntie Maude's death in 1978 Stella asked Sitting Bull's grandson Grandpa Zahn, Frank Fool's Crow, and possibly Mathew King (Nobel Red Man) what she should do with the bundle, they asked her to send it to the Sundance so they could pray on it. her grandson was chosen to take the bundle to the Sundance. He hitchhiked a ride in a VW Beetle headed to Ohio, got stoned with the driver, and when he got out of the car at the turnoff he left his back pack and the bundle in the backseat of the car. We never knew what became of it.
|
|
|
Post by Diane Merkel on Mar 29, 2012 12:19:58 GMT -6
[Sound of crickets chirping . . . .]
|
|
|
Post by tubman13 on Jan 17, 2014 17:15:20 GMT -6
Crickets, the favorite food of turkeys. Thank you, a worthwhile use of my time, these 5 pages.
|
|