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Post by lmiller202 on Dec 6, 2007 8:30:35 GMT -6
This is not specifically about Red Dog nor Clifford the Big Red Dog  But while trying another search engine, I ran into this page about White Swan. " In June 1876, a young warrior named White Swan was one of six Crow scouts assigned to the 7th Cavalry. The outnumbered Crow had aligned themselves with the U.S. government against their traditional enemies, the Sioux and Cheyenne, in exchange for a promise from General George Armstrong Custer of a return to their old way of life, and a return of land stolen from the Crow by other tribes.
History would have been altered had Gen. Custer followed the advise of the Crow scouts who urged him not to lead his forces into the valley of the Little Big Horn. In the ensuing battle, White Swan was severely injured, and after a long recovery, returned to Crow Agency seriously disabled.
In 1894 White Swan, crippled and unable to hear or speak, created a series of drawings on pages from an accounting ledger book to explain his role in the famous battle to his friend, the pastor at the Congregational Church. That man was my grandfather, Rev. James Gregor Burgess. These remarkable illustrations have been in our family ever since.
Our goal is to use reproductions of these drawings to raise college scholarship funds for members of the Crow tribe. Thanks for your interest and support through the sale of items. " Anyone familiar with the above? The URL with one example of the art is: www.plainsart.comBilly |
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Post by lmiller202 on Dec 6, 2007 8:32:33 GMT -6
I keep seeing a reference to Clifford the Big Red Dog-is this the Clifford surname or given name?
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Post by crzhrs on Dec 7, 2007 10:34:33 GMT -6
Clifford the Big Red Dog is a children's character on PBS
If you do a google search for Red Dog that is what you get, not the Indian!
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Post by grahamew on Dec 22, 2007 14:26:10 GMT -6
Here's the frontal view of Red Dog by Gardner in 1872:  |
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Post by grahamew on May 7, 2008 13:59:31 GMT -6
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Post by Dietmar on May 7, 2008 15:11:36 GMT -6
OMG,
it´s him...isn´t he? The only comparable photos of Red Leaf were made by Thomas Wilhelm in 1874... of course there is no definite proof, but I tend to believe it.
Thanks Grahame, I haven´t seen this new series, although I visit the site regularly.
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Post by ephriam on May 7, 2008 21:47:20 GMT -6
Dietmar:
Yes, it is Red Leaf. There is one additional portrait that I am aware of beyond the fuzzy glimpse of Red Leaf we have by Wilhelm. Stanley Morrow also produced an outdoor portrait of him, sitting in just a blanket. This man has a very distinctive face. Clearly the man in the Morrow photo and the new one on the Cowan website are the same man. What a great photo! Now I wonder who the photographer was!
Some great images!
ephriam
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Post by Dietmar on May 8, 2008 3:25:18 GMT -6
Somehow I felt it was him. Could it be a W.R. Cross photo?
I have seen that Morrow took a photo of him from a list on the backside of a cdv, but haven´t seen the image yet. Hope it will be avaible in the internet soon.
This new series at Cowan´s is one of the best. Exciting photos we can discuss about...
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Post by kingsleybray on May 8, 2008 4:01:14 GMT -6
Great to have the photo of Red Leaf. The Morrow image is illustrated at p. 187 of Schmitt & Brown, 'Fighting Indians of the West'. As Jim Hanson once said, the worst case of varicose veins ever! Any ideas of the vintage of either of these photos?
Best,
Kingsley
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Post by charlie on May 8, 2008 4:24:22 GMT -6
RED LEAF! Finally! I never seen him! He was an important chief, related to famous Conquering Bear. Can some expert added bio-infos about him? Thanks
p.s. I don't succeed to copy, on my pc, the image from Cowan (right click is disabilited). Can some expert to put the photo in this thread?
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Post by jinlian on May 8, 2008 4:34:56 GMT -6
Charlie, here you are:  Hope this helps, Jin |
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Post by charlie on May 8, 2008 5:16:50 GMT -6
Jinlian: thank you so much. (That efficiency and that speed!)
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Post by grahamew on May 8, 2008 5:42:22 GMT -6
Did he visit Washington? The fan looks the same as those seen on some delegation photos.
Thanks for transferring the picture. How on earth did you do it at that resolution?
What's particularly good about this series is the fact that so many of the images are from the 70s - wish I could blow up the Jenney party picture with some clarity!
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Post by Dietmar on May 8, 2008 6:41:49 GMT -6
As far as I know Red Leaf never got to Washington. Quick Bear went for him in 1870, representing the Wazhazhas. Maybe he brought back the fan as a gift??
It´s a pure guess, but I would think the photo above could be taken in the late 1870s, let´s say 1877/78. He would have been at Rosebud at that time, so: Cross, Hamilton...?
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Post by kingsleybray on May 8, 2008 13:31:54 GMT -6
Red Leaf did go to Washington just the once, with the Red Cloud Agency delegation in May-June 1872. That plantation owner's fan, or in any case one like it, turns up in one or two 1872 images (I'm thinking of the shot of Slow Bull kneeling, obviously cropped from a group portrait). But Red Leaf isn't included in the classic Alexander Gardner series of portraits done in 1872. One for Ephriam, I think . . . .
Red Leaf, Red Bear - a classic haul from Cowan's .........
Kingsley
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