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Post by elisabeth on Dec 3, 2005 2:19:38 GMT -6
Sorry about that, and thanks for the warning!
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Post by markland on Dec 3, 2005 9:56:52 GMT -6
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 29, 2006 14:08:56 GMT -6
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Post by grahamew on Dec 30, 2006 10:55:16 GMT -6
I tried posting the above photo, but couldn't. Here's Red Dog by Godkin:  |
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Post by grahamew on Jan 19, 2007 13:37:37 GMT -6
Here's the other Red Dog by Godkin. Note the cardigan!  Here, with Diane's help, is the Hamilton and Hoyt Red Dog Dietmar mentioned above:  |
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 14, 2007 6:07:30 GMT -6
I found this photo at ebay. This is obviously another Red Dog, not the Oglala chief. But who is it? The photograph was made by J. F. Jarvis.   |
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Post by buffaloman on Feb 14, 2007 20:00:27 GMT -6
I saw this yesterday too. The same tobacco bag is in 1872 Alexander Gardner photographs of Oglala chief High Wolf (Tall Wolf). I made a comparison and thought it looks like him, but have not gotten any positive responses. The man in the Jarvis photo looks like he has a beard, but I think this is only an optical illusion. -Bob   |
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Post by grahamew on Feb 16, 2007 11:07:22 GMT -6
Great comparisons. I've looked through various books and the photos on my PC but to no avail. I guess it's fair to assume he was with the 1872 delegation, but I've yet to find any of Gardner's photos that match.
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 17, 2007 14:20:08 GMT -6
I believe the man is neither Red Dog (the Oglala chief) nor High Wolf. But probably Grahame is close when he dates the photo around 1872. Maybe a Gardner or Brady photo? I am sure he is not among the other 1872 delegation photos by Gardner I have. But we had discuss another photo with 3 indian men in a thread a time ago, who also could had been additions of that delegation.  Is the beard really only optical illusion? Perhaps this Red Dog (if the name is correct at all) could be a halfbreed interpreter? |
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Post by buffaloman on Feb 17, 2007 18:51:50 GMT -6
Okay, I was fighting the idea that it was a beard on the man in the Jarvis photo. I knew that some Plains Indian men had whiskers. The Hunkpapa "Hairy Chin" photographed by D. F. Barry and the Ponca chief Iron Horn comes to mind. Anyway, I was looking through the Sioux photos in the University of Pennsylvania Library web site and found a C. M. Bell photo of a Brule member of the 1888 delegation to Washington named Standing Cloud.  tinyurl.com/2tyl9a I do think the Jarvis photo is earlier, likely 1872, and would account for him holding the same tobacco bag as the Oglala High Wolf and looking younger. -Bob |
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Post by brock on Feb 18, 2007 11:40:17 GMT -6
The thing that puzzles me is why Red Dog combs his hair back in a way that would indentify him as a likely member of the Crow or Nez Perce. Doesn't seem very safe when he's out riding in Lakota country and another Lakota sees him from a distance.
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Post by grahamew on Feb 18, 2007 13:24:05 GMT -6
Standing Cloud with Medicine Bull and Henry Bull Head, 1888  |
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 19, 2007 8:30:41 GMT -6
The man in the Jarvis photo resembles Standing Cloud, although I am not absolutely sure of it.
Standing Cloud, Medicine Bull and Henry Bull Head were headman of the Lower Brule tribe. There is not much information at all about the Lower Brules, who once split of from the Upper Brules of Spotted Tail and had their own reservation. I read the Schusky book "The Forgotten Sioux" about the tribe, but there is not much personal information about the individual leaders of that tribe.
Iron Nation and Medicine Bull were rated as "principal chiefs", at least by the whites.
The Lower Brules were very peacable indians, they fought not in the Sioux War of 1876.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 21, 2007 9:36:31 GMT -6
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 21, 2007 11:32:58 GMT -6
Excellent!!
I wish they had taken their hats off, so that you can see more their faces...
Red Dog (No. 2), perhaps Red Leaf (standing left)... any other identifications of the Indians in the photo above?
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