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Post by johnson1941 on Jan 29, 2024 9:16:53 GMT -6
Thanks - THIS is the joke - 1/2 way down a ravine at the lowest spot on the ridge (at 3360'), AKA point 2, is NOT the crest nor summit they would be siloutted on. See point 7 'the highest point NORTH of Reno entenchment' (at 3500'), where the SCOUTS actually said Custer lookout took place. When you finally understand this glaring error Curtis made, or at least you do in equating the 2 locations, you can move on!
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Post by johnson1941 on Jan 29, 2024 9:31:44 GMT -6
LOL! Sure that is just what I said. Except when he did - see the RCOI, and point 7 the highest point. See Martin and scouts et. al. to confirm this sighting/locating. DeRudio, RCOI 1879 A. I did not see any part of the column of General Custer. The only observation I made was while I was in the woods. General Custer, Lieut. Cook and another man I could not recognize came to the highest point of the bluff and waved their hats and made motions like they were cheering and pretty soon disappeared. I judge by that that probably his column was behind the bluff. ... Q. Where was that? A. It was on the highest point on the right bank of the creek just below where Dr. DeWolf was killed....Where I saw General Custer the river comes right under the bluff . The bluff comes in very narrow there hardly wide enough for a horse to stand on in my opinion this map is not correct as to this line of bluffs. Q. About how far do you think it was from the point on the bluff occupied by Maj. Reno? A. I think it could not have been more than 5 or 600 yards. It was a higher point but lower down on the river.
Q. Was it the highest point down the stream? A. Yes sir and up stream too it was the highest point around there. I went on the top of it afterwards on the 27 with Capt. Benteen.The witness then designated on the map by the figure “7,” about the point where he saw General Custer on that occasion.
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Post by herosrest on Jan 29, 2024 18:01:42 GMT -6
It remains unfortunate that you cannot undertake the reality that, it is impossible to identify positively at the distance involved. The distance stated by DeRudio. It could have been anyone and was. The matter is that simple. DeRudio's observation is completely unreliable, as also your reliance upon it. Here ya go - Maybe it was Reno he saw up there, which was possible according to Terry - link
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Post by herosrest on Jan 30, 2024 7:51:33 GMT -6
Yours to, and I surely hope that your chunder bucker ever remains empty. See the HR topic. Shortly. It is impossible to accept DeRudio as having sighted Custer where he wasn't. A Court wouldn't do it if expert opinion was offered, and remarkably, expert opinion was available to the Chicago inquiry into Maj. Reno's failures to do his duty. That would be all Officer's who ever served in the field and understood fully (compltely) that DeRudio's comments were first clash balderdash of the highest possible order. He sighted the HDK battalion on the bluffs and correctly deduced that what he saw was Benteen deviating from Ford A environs, onto the bluffs where Reno was leading elements of the AGM battalion. Since Custer was at that time far away downriver, having sent Trumpeter Martin to Benteen, and Benteen having deviated from Ford A onto the bluffs, Custer had to have returned from downriver beyond where Martin returned from, abandoning his command, and to do dangerously silly things. John S. Gray assembled this scenario from the detrius of DeRudio's errant testimony and the subsequent chaos this introduced to understanding the events which many struggle with before failing magnificently. I realised quite some time ago that it seems Crazy Horse was in three different places at the same time and that that was perfectly possible and highly probable. I shan't explain why because it is a long held secret. Howerver your proposition that Custer was able to do the same is proposterous and would have been the US Military's most closely guarded secret - ensuring that everyone and their Grand Ma was fully aware of it. Little present coming.
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Post by johnson1941 on Jan 30, 2024 10:16:12 GMT -6
Very good thing Martin and the scouts and Kanipe and Benteen and Thompson and Varnum and Newell et al. & etc all confirmed he/they were right there, then! Ensures DeRudio is correct, and confirms he accomplished what clearly was not nearly as impossible as you think. Shoot - Herendeen even estimated point 7/Weir's Hill was right where Custer would be at that time - and hey - he was! You better check your timeline See point 7/G/highest point/Weir's Hill/highest spot on the ridge. Herendeen A. I judge that at the time Major Reno left the timber, General Custer was about opposite where we were. I judge that by the distance, I did not see him at all. ...Q. This map doesn’t show where they separated, but remember where Major Reno pulled ahead, and take into consideration the time it took to get there, and the movements there at the timber by the command, and knowing the country as you do, and the battlefield of General Custer, how near was General Custer to his battlefield when Major Reno left the timber with his command? A. It would be just a guess, depending on how fast he was traveling. He ought to have been beyond Major Reno’s position, on the hill, about half a mile. I should not think he was over two miles from the battlefield where he was found.Q. If these lines represent General Custer’s trail, about how far would that be on this map? A. I know that country and from the point we called Weir’s Hill, there is a sort of swale runs down and it is nice traveling to the creek that runs in there. A. I claim that what is called Weir’s Hill is the highest point on the ridge in that vicinity. Q. That circular mark is to indicate the position Major Reno took. How far from there can you see the country towards “B”? A. To that highest point, Weir’s Hill, probably half a mile down.
Yep...about 1/2mile past Reno at Weir's Hill - right where Martin and DeRudio and et. al. said GC was. All related. All relative. All reliable.
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Post by Jenny on Feb 12, 2024 10:08:42 GMT -6
It's interesting that a person can become a subject expert on this site simply by repeatedly berating others' opinions. Beware!
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Post by johnson1941 on Feb 12, 2024 11:44:44 GMT -6
Interesting.
I find that it is gathering/finding out the facts and corroborating primary statements/data that gets one to be more knowlegable on a subject (and experience when applicable of course). Its amazing how much info can get forgotten or can not be easily relocated when you need it! Can be frustrating. And yes - as is having to repeatedly argue against unsupported notions presented as fact.
On the positive, we now know: who went after the squaws where Bloody knife had stolen horses how the Rees recrossed the river to the flat Where the Rees got horses and where the Rees came up who shot at them coming up the bluffs and who helped stop it who saw Custer along the bluffs and where where Custer was seen/viewing the village the name of the highest hill, where it was, and who all was on it where Thompson was left behind where the troopers w/downed horses were where Custer cheered/waved where Kanipe was when where Martin was +/-when where DeRudio was in the timber where the Crows were, where they were left behind, where they met Benteen where Hodgsons marker was just north of reno where the river is tight to the bluffs just below where DeWolf was killed where Custer went down South coulee how Benteen was seen approaching A how Edgerly/Weir advanced & retreated, Vincent Charlie etc. Edgerley was in advance of Weir How & where & why they advanced to & dismounted where Reno was then and what Benteen did why they ordered the retreat the importance of the east side river flat The significance of the coulees east of the bluffs Who engaged the indians and where Godfrey set up his skirimish re: the retreat what Hare was up to the importance of points 5,7,8,9 and G “below” does mean below “upstream” is up stream, as is “up the valley” more about reno reteat up what a lot of witnesses had to say about certain events who corroborates whom There are some great period maps there are actual pictures of Martins Ridge and point 7 The views from several important locations what hostiles around reno retreat did after bearings & distances to important locations, elevations About sharpshooters hill how battle site changes affected important features Camp improved his maps, and relied on interviews and narratives and correspondence
Lots more good stuff! Woop!
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Post by Diane Merkel on Feb 13, 2024 10:12:08 GMT -6
If you were glad I stopped the nonsense on the other thread, why are you still doing this? The boards have screeched to a halt.
As Jenny indicated, "expert" and other designations are based on how many posts someone makes, not the quality of the posts.
Take a break for a few days, johnson, or I'll give you a break.
Diane
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Post by johnson1941 on Feb 13, 2024 10:38:38 GMT -6
Ah gotcha! My mistake on that "expert'. Apologies!
Sounds good - will do!
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