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Post by tubman13 on Jun 2, 2015 3:04:58 GMT -6
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Post by mac on Jun 2, 2015 5:39:29 GMT -6
I assume no Christians are allowed to wear a crucifix. What small minded nonsense..these administrators are featherweights! (or perhaps wits?) (birdbrains?) Cheers
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Post by Beth on Jun 2, 2015 10:23:20 GMT -6
I think it kind of depends on how he wants to wear it. If everyone has to have a plain mortar board with no decorations, then the school may not be being unreasonable if he wants to wear it attached to the mortar board. But they should have no say if he wants to wear in in his hair, clothing or any other way they would allow a student to were a cross or other religious symbol. Believe me I hate dress codes but sometimes there has to be flexibility on both sides.
Sam's graduation is Thursday. They are encouraging kids to personalize the top of their mortar boards. Sam put an Iowa road map on hers with the Tolkien quote "I am quite ready to begin another adventure"
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Post by dave on Jun 2, 2015 11:26:51 GMT -6
What happened to the good ole days when people used commonsense in making decisions on individual positions? Administrators using the "company line" instead of using their own judgments on the merits of each case. What a bunch of cowardly morons. Respects Dave
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Post by quincannon on Jun 2, 2015 11:34:16 GMT -6
What happen to the really good old days when a nun would slap you senseless for even thinking about such nonsense then make you go to confession to confess the sins you may commit ten years hence.
We had a motto at my elementary Alma Mater --- CONFORM OR DIE
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Post by Beth on Jun 2, 2015 11:47:03 GMT -6
What happened to the good ole days when people used commonsense in making decisions on individual positions? Administrators using the "company line" instead of using their own judgments on the merits of each case. What a bunch of cowardly morons. Respects Dave Uniformity is a way to hide personal cowardliness. Schools need to ask themselves are we educating young people to grow into self sufficient thinking adults or young people who will just follow the crowd and don't think for themselves. I went searching for cases of other Native Americans who worn eagle feathers--I thought it was really cool. As I said I am no fan of dress codes mainly because they are ways of body shaming girls just at the point in their lives that they are most vulnerable about self image. When you tell a 12 year girl that she has to cover her body so she isn't a distraction to the boys, what does it say about the young boys we are rearing- and since if it's adult men who are making the call about 'distracting' what does it say about them. I got called to school one day because kid one was showing to much cleavage. Kid 1 was 13 years old When I asked the teacher to show me how they judged 'too much' he got right up until he was belly bumping Sam then looked down and said he could see cleavage. I was so angry I think Kid 1 thought I was going to explode. I told her I would fight them over it if she wanted to but she didn't want to because she knew it would make more trouble for her than she wanted to deal with. I SHOULD have called the cops and filed a complaint for a perv teacher peeking down my daughter's bra. Neither he nor anyone else had any business being that much in her personal space.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 2, 2015 12:39:49 GMT -6
Beth if it was not for you girls insisting on wearing paten leather shoes at the high school dance all this unseemliness could be avoided, and Sister Malevolence would be out of a job.
I once had a nun tell me at one such affair that "She knew my kind, that I was having impure thoughts, and was a sinner doomed to the everlasting fires of damnation" I think I was thirteen at the time. They really did need to take a chill pill, or have an affair with the postman or something. Thank God they don't still put unwanted girls in the convent after the eighth grade anymore and require them to have an education.
Of course what the nun said about the impure thoughts was probably true, but that is beside the point.
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Post by tubman13 on Jun 2, 2015 13:03:51 GMT -6
If you had not included the last statement I would have!
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Post by quincannon on Jun 2, 2015 13:16:35 GMT -6
Yes I know. Blabbermouth.
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Post by Beth on Jun 2, 2015 13:38:49 GMT -6
Beth if it was not for you girls insisting on wearing paten leather shoes at the high school dance all this unseemliness could be avoided, and Sister Malevolence would be out of a job. I once had a nun tell me at one such affair that "She knew my kind, that I was having impure thoughts, and was a sinner doomed to the everlasting fires of damnation" I think I was thirteen at the time. They really did need to take a chill pill, or have an affair with the postman or something. Thank God they don't still put unwanted girls in the convent after the eighth grade anymore and require them to have an education. Of course what the nun said about the impure thoughts was probably true, but that is beside the point. When I was a kid in Catholic schools I used to think that women because nuns because they were too ugly to have husbands and that is why they were so mean. (if you could have seen some of my teachers, you would understand) Impure thoughts are normal for an 8th grade boy--or girl, however instead of telling instead teens they are doomed to burn in you know where or girls not to wear patent leather shoes or sweater sets, perhaps we should teach people about respecting personal space and how to make eye contact when talking to the opposite sex. So could one use patent leather shoes umm that way--or was it a rumor like coke and asprin being an aphrodisiac?
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Post by dave on Jun 2, 2015 13:48:38 GMT -6
Beth "So could one use patent leather shoes umm that way--or was it a rumor like coke and asprin being an aphrodisiac? " Hell Beth at that age I never noticed the shoes. I was looking up! I was an unrepentant confused 13 year old animal but thankfully not catholic. Come to think of it I am still am a bit confused. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Jun 2, 2015 14:16:37 GMT -6
Beth "So could one use patent leather shoes umm that way--or was it a rumor like coke and asprin being an aphrodisiac? " Hell Beth at that age I never noticed the shoes. I was looking up! I was an unrepentant confused 13 year old animal but thankfully not catholic. Come to think of it I am still am a bit confused. Regards Dave Personally I think that most young men looking down while dancing at a school dance were more concern about stepping on their partners toes than anything else. Beth
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Post by quincannon on Jun 2, 2015 14:26:56 GMT -6
The point is that in that era, these women that became nuns had little in the way of formal education, and did not have to fit the norm as far as being mentally stable and fit to educate. I do not doubt their faith and devotion but when dealing with the young it also takes suitability. Back in those days it was not unknown, in fact practically a norm of sorts for large families with several girls to farm some of those girls off to a convent at about thirteen years, so the thinking goes to give them at least some advantage that they might not otherwise have in depressed economic circumstances.
There were many, many fine nuns who were suitable and had been educated beyond the norm of the times. You don't remember them though and that itself is shameful. You remember the bad and the brutal.
I can tell you that patent leather shoes were forbidden at every dance or social event at a Catholic girls school I ever attended, but the dirty minds and impure thoughts were not on the part of the attendees, but rather on the part of the idiots that made the rules.
Dave Catholic Schools of that time did not have any trademark on stupidity.
Beth: I think you remember that I work with Tweeners and Teens. Essentially the program revolves around transitioning from the 11-12 year old child to the 18-19-20 year old young adult. Everyone trains everyone on all things under the sun except how to transition into adulthood. Before I could become certified, a certification I have to renew every three years, you had to undergo the training, but before that you had to be extensively evaluated to see if you were qualified for the mental stability required for the job. That evaluation is something not done once and forgotten, but it must also be periodically renewed as well. A lot has changed from the days of yore, and a lot brought on by the disasters of the recent past in dealing with children, but there is still a lot that must be done, because some of these people, and I am not speaking here exclusively about the sexual predators, keep slipping through, and harm follows in the wake
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Post by Beth on Jun 2, 2015 14:55:29 GMT -6
The point is that in that era, these women that became nuns had little in the way of formal education, and did not have to fit the norm as far as being mentally stable and fit to educate. I do not doubt their faith and devotion but when dealing with the young it also takes suitability. Back in those days it was not unknown, in fact practically a norm of sorts for large families with several girls to farm some of those girls off to a convent at about thirteen years, so the thinking goes to give them at least some advantage that they might not otherwise have in depressed economic circumstances. There were many, many fine nuns who were suitable and had been educated beyond the norm of the times. You don't remember them though and that itself is shameful. You remember the bad and the brutal. I can tell you that patent leather shoes were forbidden at every dance or social event at a Catholic girls school I ever attended, but the dirty minds and impure thoughts were not on the part of the attendees, but rather on the part of the idiots that made the rules. Dave Catholic Schools of that time did not have any trademark on stupidity. I understand what you mean. I was in the Catholic school system in the 60's and not much had changed. Although I don't have any Aunts or Uncles in religious orders I have quite a few great aunts and uncles-and of course almost every family has a person named for Father Paul, Father Francis, or Sister Margaret. Women have more opportunities though now for education and vocation that life in a nunnery doesn't look so appealing. BTW my mother suggested that I would probably find a happy existence as a Carmelite nun. Beth aka Elizabeth Ann Margaret
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Post by tubman13 on Jun 2, 2015 15:17:39 GMT -6
You could have dropped the Elizabeth part and let Elvis sing to you and look at your cleavage. That would have been a wonderful song and dance. Bye, Bye, Birdie.
Regards, Tom
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