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Post by quincannon on Jun 3, 2015 10:11:51 GMT -6
You might find it incomprehensible that I would agree with the school administrators here, not on the firing, for that is excessive, but the principle.
She "gave" what is not hers to give. She also set a very bad precedent for the children themselves.
If she had paid for those meals out of her own pocket, there would have been no discussion of the issue. To give in this particular instance, is a form of stealing, regardless of the motivation that prompted the action.
All that said, and looking at the qualifications presented in the article, and knowing the area involved, the qualification numbers are far too low, to insure every child in need gets the nourishment required for even a semblance of an equal playing field, which is the starting point of education.
As these things are usually, there is more depth than that presented in the headline.
Where I find the real wrong here though is that administrators at the school level were not down there checking what was going on, just as a commander periodically walks in his kitchen to insure himself that everything that goes into supporting the soldier is functioning properly. Had there been this problem the fired kitchen manager should have brought the issue to that person's attention, rather than taking action on her own, that led to her dismissal. There is no indication in the article that this was a one time incident, therefore we must conclude the problem was persistent.
There must be balance between the humanitarian instincts of man, and the principles we all must live by.
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Post by dave on Jun 3, 2015 10:33:21 GMT -6
QC You are thinking on a macro scale, I'm just wanting 1st graders feed. I have 2 grand kids entering 1st grade this fall and I would personally pay for any kids meal if they were unable to. In Oxford we have a group called Angel Packs, who provide low income children with enough snacks to insure they will have something to eat till school on Monday. During the summer, various groups and individuals are supporting this group with food donations as well as financial support.
Regards Dave
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Post by quincannon on Jun 3, 2015 10:51:40 GMT -6
Yes I am, for it is at that level systemic problems are solved.
What was done in this instance contained in the report is this kitchen manager stole a band aid to stem the effects of a sucking chest wound.
I do it a little differently. I am not a man of great means, although I am comfortable for my state in life. I live in a neighborhood, an Army neighborhood where there are a lot of mid grade enlisted personnel, in housing that despite their allowance is still a stretch financially for them. They cannot afford many of the things we take for granted. What I do is get those with the required talent to do my painting, my landscaping, and other household labor intensive tasks and compensate them for it. With their children, they are given the opportunity to earn some extra money by grass cutting, weed pulling and the like, but it being their choice. I don't know what these adults or children do with the money earned, but I know it helps them over a few rough spots.
In addition it gives me the opportunity to instill a work ethic into the young and teach them the importance of quality and attention to detail that they will carry with them into the future.
I think it is a win-win for all concerned.
We have such groups here as well, and those groups were set up to address a systemic fault. My objection to this woman's actions was not the motivation behind the action, it was the manner and method of the action itself, addressing the symptom, not the disease.
If I stole what was yours to give to someone in need, I made that decision, and it is then up to me to compensate you for it. It would be up to you then upon discovery of my theft to investigate THE WHY your item was stolen in the first place, and if you find it was done for humanitarian reasons start to address the problem.
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Post by tubman13 on Jun 3, 2015 11:09:36 GMT -6
We could change your avatar to Robin Hood!
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Post by quincannon on Jun 3, 2015 11:47:41 GMT -6
We could, but we won't. We could change your SA16 to a plow horse too, but somehow it would not be the same. Now if we changed it to a picture of a gentleman farmer sitting on his veranda, sipping a julep, basking in the warm Virginia sun in your horsey costume, that may just do the trick.
You must have gone to Gilman. You are much too sharp of wit for any school more pedestrian.
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Post by tubman13 on Jun 3, 2015 13:44:01 GMT -6
Severn, Severna Park, MD21146. At the time all male, we never let up on one another. Try as I may I find the habit hard to shake. In my six years there we never lost to Gilman in Lacrosse. Football about 50/50. Closer to your neck of the woods DeMatha destroyed us in in basketball and football. Only played them once in each sport that I know of. We never got a chance to play them in Lacrosse, that one we would have one. We beat the Plebes every year, MD freshman were tough.
Regards, Tom
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Post by quincannon on Jun 3, 2015 15:00:36 GMT -6
DeMatha is Chris' neck of the woods.
I assume Severn was a six year institution, not four. Hell I don't assume at all but you did leave the opening. Excellent school.
Chris and I matriculated at the same pile of stones. That is little known here. I was a few years before him. The scar I carry above my lip is testimony to the brutality in my day. The experience Chris had, far different from mine is due to a change in administration and faculty.
I did not name the school, for it was not the school but those who ran it at the time. It's gone now. It has been gone a long time.
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Post by tubman13 on Jun 3, 2015 16:22:23 GMT -6
The key word institution, I guess, in my case.
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Post by chris on Jun 3, 2015 18:25:07 GMT -6
DeMatha is Chris' neck of the woods. I assume Severn was a six year institution, not four. Hell I don't assume at all but you did leave the opening. Excellent school. Chris and I matriculated at the same pile of stones. That is little known here. I was a few years before him. The scar I carry above my lip is testimony to the brutality in my day. The experience Chris had, far different from mine is due to a change in administration and faculty. I did not name the school, for it was not the school but those who ran it at the time. It's gone now. It has been gone a long time. Chuck, I remember our conversation. Your comment about the faculty change is on the money - The best part of that little school was the interest the faculty had and the class size was small enough so one could have individual help when it became apparent someone was struggling. Best, c.
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Post by quincannon on Jun 3, 2015 19:49:13 GMT -6
And that was the worst part of that school when I attended Chris. There was a we can care less attitude and it was apparent to all hands. The first year as you may remember from our conversation the school was co-ed. The faculty was a combination of a few nuns who knew this was their last year, and a scratch crew of diocesan priests and a few civilians. The only ones that were brutal that year were the civilians, the music teacher in particular, who I am convinced was a sadist. The next year it became all male, and a group of priests and brothers from the same order came in and took over. Their order shall remain nameless here, but I shared it with you on the phone when we spoke of this.
Needless to say, it was not pretty. I can't recall how many years separated us but I don't believe these sadistic miscreants were there more than three or four. I will tell you how bad it was. Bad enough to have nearly lost my faith over the experience. I came close, and had I not left by invitation and gone to a school, a public school where people cared, my life would have turned out far differently.
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