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Post by crzhrs on Aug 15, 2008 11:49:53 GMT -6
Many people can have a Jekyll & Hyde (spelling?) personality.
They can be warm and caring with people they like and admire and spiteful and hateful to those they don't.
We know Carrington was not a combat officer, but more a paper pusher and planner. Fetterman was a veteran of the Civil War and apparently was not afraid to fight.
It's plain to see why there could be a clash of personalities between the two men.
In the end, however, Carrington was commanding officer and Fetterman was obliged to follow orders, even if he felt contempt for Carrington.
And I keep going back to Jim Bridger's comment to Carrington: (paraphrase): "Colenel, your soldiers are crazy for chasing after Indians like they were Rebs."
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Post by markland on Aug 15, 2008 13:51:21 GMT -6
Billy, I'm no geologist but the Rocky Mountains are composed of several mountain ranges; to include the Big Horns, Absoroka, Beartooth, Wolf, Medicine Bow and others. The Rockies range for up to 400 miles in width so I don't see anything wrong with Chiaventone's statement. The Big Horns are indeed at the eastern base of the Rockies. Actually, it was not Fred's statement as we were talking about the Give Me Eighty Men book. But, as is obvious, I am not a geologist either as a quick perusal through the Wiki does state that the Big Horns are part of the Rockies. But to defend my position slightly, she could have been more exact as the Rockies do extend 3000 miles and defined the area under discussion by stating the eastern slopes of the Big Horn mountains. Be good, Billy
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Post by markland on Sept 25, 2008 16:06:40 GMT -6
As Elisabeth mentioned earlier, a new book on the Fetterman battle as well as the entire Powder River episode is coming out and is now available for preorder. The book is:
Where a Hundred Soldiers Were Killed: The Struggle for the Powder River Country in 1866 and the Making of the Fetterman Myth by John H. Monnett.
Billy
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Post by ignimbrite on Oct 12, 2008 22:33:25 GMT -6
In two different posts markland writes:
Ruth, sorry, I had missed your question. The Bozeman Trail went along the eastern side of the Big Horn Mountains, totally separate from the Rockies. I am not a geologist either as a quick perusal through the Wiki does state that the Big Horns are part of the Rockies. But to defend my position slightly, she could have been more exact as the Rockies do extend 3000 miles and defined the area under discussion by stating the eastern slopes of the Big Horn mountains.
Billy, I'm sorry I missed your answer. Life seems to get busier every day around here.
I figured your objection was to the Big Horns as part of the Rockies. It was a good excuse to get out my maps and try to figure out exactly where I think the east slope of the Rockies lies. North of Great Falls, Montana it's easy, but southeastern Montana and Wyoming get a little muddled.
I agree with you that the author could have been more exact. Geologically the Big Horns are a part of the Rockies, but they are far enough away from the main range that many people think of them as separate.
As a geology professor once said "When discussing landforms, one must ascertain if one's audience is geologists or geographers. Both use similar terminology, but in vastly different ways."
Ruth
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Post by biggordie on Oct 12, 2008 23:32:52 GMT -6
Hey, Ruth - How's the 'shrooms these days? Did you get any of the snow?
Gordie
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Post by ignimbrite on Oct 13, 2008 21:01:30 GMT -6
Hey, Ruth - How's the 'shrooms these days? Did you get any of the snow? Gordie The 'shrooms are doing just fine....it's me that's wearing out. We increased the farm size by 30% this spring, had our consultant come up and have gone from 500 to 700 lbs. a week to 1600 to 2000 lbs. a week. I'm TIRED, but happy when I get a chance to think. We had about 10" of snow on the ground this morning and a low of 10 degrees. Typical of Montana, it was 45 by afternoon and a lot melted off. Billings really got hit. 10,000 people still without power. Some areas got up to 22 inches and drifts 6' high. The Beartooth highway was officially closed for the season with over 4' of snow. Thanks for asking, I really miss this place. Ruth
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Post by biggordie on Oct 13, 2008 22:03:58 GMT -6
Good luck with the expansion - longer days in the offing, I would guess!!
Gordie
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Post by friendofhistory on Oct 21, 2008 15:39:49 GMT -6
Hi folks. Thanks for this blog. I would like inform everybody that my new book, "Where A Hundred Soldiers Were Killed: The Struggle for the Powder River Country in 1866" has just been released and is available from the University of New Mexico Press. John H. Monnett, Ph.D Department of History Metropolitan State College of Denver
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Post by gary on Oct 21, 2008 16:01:07 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to your book, but it is not available in the UK for another three weeks according to Amazon.
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Post by biggordie on Oct 21, 2008 20:00:41 GMT -6
Good Luck with the book, Doctor.
Gordie
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Post by ignimbrite on Oct 21, 2008 22:50:25 GMT -6
Hi folks. Thanks for this blog. I would like inform everybody that my new book, "Where A Hundred Soldiers Were Killed: The Struggle for the Powder River Country in 1866" has just been released and is available from the University of New Mexico Press. John H. Monnett, Ph.D Department of History Metropolitan State College of Denver
Great!!! I'll be sending for it tomorrow. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Monnett speak last month at the Order of the Indian Wars Assembly in Sheridan, WY. He gave a wonderful talk on the Crazy Woman Crossing on the Bozeman Trail and was informative the rest of the weekend as well. Good luck with the book.
Ruth
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Post by cefil on Oct 23, 2008 12:07:44 GMT -6
My copy arrived today. Looks like I'll have to suspend the Battle of Monocacy and the search for the Tang survivors, and instead spend the weekend on the eastern slopes of the Bighorns (not the Rockies...I don't care what they say).
Billy's terrific (and useful) website is listed in the bibliography, so the book can't be all bad, right?
cefil
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Post by gary on Oct 23, 2008 13:30:45 GMT -6
I am sure that it will be a good read. I've read three of DrM's books and really enjoy his style. He is non-partisan and shows an understanding of both sides in the Indian/US conflicts, whilst also displaying a detailed knowledge of the facts that are presented in a fresh and well considered way.
As you can tell, I am really looking forward to this one.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Oct 24, 2008 18:40:35 GMT -6
I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Monnett speak last month at the Order of the Indian Wars Assembly in Sheridan, WY. He gave a wonderful talk on the Crazy Woman Crossing on the Bozeman Trail and was informative the rest of the weekend as well. Good luck with the book. Ruth Ruth, I am SO jealous that you went to the OIW assembly. Mike Koury is one of my favorite people in the world, and Dee is a saint. I've heard from some who attended that it was terrific. One of these days I'll be there! Diane
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Post by ignimbrite on Oct 26, 2008 22:43:46 GMT -6
Diane,
It was my first time at an OIW event and was a great event. Next year is the 30th Assembly in Austin, Texas with Robert Utley. I probably won't make that one, but I sure wish I could.
Ruth
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