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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 31, 2022 6:51:14 GMT -6
Anderson actually coached/managed the kangaroos, he always got a good reception when he came back to Widnes, but he never smiles much. I remember Terry Lamb, I actually saw him play when the Kangaroos came to Widnes on a tour match. Good players attract attention, Wally (the king) Lewis took a lot of hits, I saw him getting some in one of origin games, it may have been at lang park. But Adrian Morley cleaned out a few when he played in the NRL, Burgess too so we can’t complain
Ian
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Post by sirfrancis on Aug 31, 2022 22:48:47 GMT -6
Adrian Morely...hasn't he got the record for the quickest send off in a test match? 12 seconds..... after taking out Robbie Kearns... take no prisoners.... lol
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Post by coverup on Sept 1, 2022 7:04:47 GMT -6
So Custer ordered Reno to advance on the village at as rapid a gait as prudent. According to William O Taylor, Reno’s battalion stopped to water their horses at the river crossing, prior to moving on to attack the village. I can’t quite get my head around that. While I understand that the horses were parched from the long ride, I would have thought any delay at this juncture would not be prudent, since it would allow the Indians more time to prepare defences etc. Reno was unaware that the village was not alerted to their presence. Also had he not stopped at the river, by the time of Reno’s retreat, Custer would have arrived in time on the bluffs to see the retreat and hence would have made a different deployment. Food for thought.
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Post by coverup on Sept 1, 2022 7:06:04 GMT -6
So Custer ordered Reno to advance on the village at as rapid a gait as prudent. According to William O Taylor, Reno’s battalion stopped to water their horses at the river crossing, prior to moving on to attack the village. I can’t quite get my head around that. While I understand that the horses were parched from the long ride, I would have thought any delay at this juncture would not be prudent, since it would allow the Indians more time to prepare defences etc. Reno was unaware that the village was not alerted to their presence. Also had he not stopped at the river, by the time of Reno’s retreat, Custer would have arrived in time on the bluffs to see the retreat and hence would have made a different deployment. Food for thought.
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Post by coverup on Sept 1, 2022 7:23:11 GMT -6
There is a reason not to allow your horses to drink too much before going into a fight, allowing everyone to be on one side and in formation would be an acceptable delay. Reno was drinking enough and not water. So was most of his officers as pointed out by Sgt. White. Take into consideration that French was the only true officer that performed as one while in the bottoms. No officer stayed on the scrimmage line, enlisted only, the scrimmage line was maybe five or ten at most before following horses back into timber. Which only makes sense as the numbers were so great right away, riding into an ambuscade as they had. Dr. Porter mentions how fast they appeared in their front as does Reno saying they would have faught harder. However, they were naked and in full paint which is hard to do when you are surprised. Anyways we know Reno followed some fifteen or so and they thought they were getting away with the thing, then Reno had the men dismount. Most likely the best thing he did, however we all know that a charge while mounted through the village would have been expected. Not that one could not feel the Fetterman Massacre or being led into a trap was not all over the place. the village would have faught harder. Like Gibbons a few days later, if they had advanced they most likely would have been in a bad way. Custer was looking for a way down from the bluffs that he ended up on while following the 75 or so INdians seen on the bluffs that he was later last seen on. According to Knipe. Keogh and Cooke were both seen at Reno crossing and the adjutant and company or troop commander would need permission to not be with their command at the time. So when Herendeen or Girard or Gerard came back to Cooke and reported that the scouts said the Warriors were showing fight, then we can see that custer went down the bluffs just before Weir POint as Curly said, a ridge that could just hold column of fours. Custer got into the village as for the Love of God, I can not understand how everyone thinks that the village of thousands could only be on the west side of the river, not on the bluffs where lone tipi was but everyone hunker down on the west side of a stream near the mosquito and fly infested flats. So many horse or ponies in the thousands grazing there, the bison were pushed through there, the filth of the campers alone minus the meat and other village tasks would make that area so filled with flies. They said a few days after when Gibbons arrived that you had to use a branch to wave over the food so you could eat without getting green flies in ones mouth. However, I have varified all this comments I am making as testimony given by those that were there. So when Curly says Custer went down the hill to his right he means the bluff that Custer went down held columns of four abreast, and it curved down to the right and the village was then seen in the bottoms. Custer faught in the valley there as expressed by everyone from Godfrey to numerous others. Reno only retreated 800 yds to the bluffs he was not down center of the village. Yes, he lost forty of his men in a short retreat as that. When a Sgt. asked to go save the men that were being tortured Reno responded that he could get some men up if he wanted. Sgt. White who was left in the timber mentioned when all your officers are drunk.... the only one to act the man was Capt French. etc. So horses getting a drink so they would flounder later was a poor decision, tightening the cinch and organizing the formation would be practical. Drinking from a flask and sharing it with an officer while sounding CHARRGGE as mentioned by William O Taylor was the real concern.
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Post by tubman13 on Sept 1, 2022 17:10:30 GMT -6
Coverup, hope you got a good advance on your novel, please invite all of us to your first book signing. Thanks, for noting Captain French, he was one of my home boys from Baltimore and graduated from Georgetown Prep, in DC. Sadly he had a bigger taste for the grape than Reno later on. Oh and by the way did all 40 die in the retreat? Or was it closer to 28?
Regards, Tom
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 2, 2022 13:56:22 GMT -6
Adrian Morely...hasn't he got the record for the quickest send off in a test match? 12 seconds..... after taking out Robbie Kearns... take no prisoners.... lol I didn't think Morley should have sent off for that, a sin bin maybe, as it was the first tackle in a test match, Kearns got up and finished the match. I always thought the ref gives the biff a little lea way in tests, look at Willy Mason, he knocked out our prop and then took the head off our scrum half in one test, and he never even got penalised. Ian
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Post by sirfrancis on Sept 2, 2022 16:19:33 GMT -6
Adrian Morely...hasn't he got the record for the quickest send off in a test match? 12 seconds..... after taking out Robbie Kearns... take no prisoners.... lol I didn't think Morley should have sent off for that, a sin bin maybe, as it was the first tackle in a test match, Kearns got up and finished the match. I always thought the ref gives the biff a little lea way in tests, look at Willy Mason, he knocked out our prop and then took the head off our scrum half in one test, and he never even got penalised. Ian Yeah everyone wants to see a good contest and losing a player early totally ruins that. I suppose the send off was for the action which potentially could have been very serious, despite Kearn's tough head. Everyone likes a bit of Biff but cheap head shots is too dangerous. Inconsistency with Ref rulings is a big issue, always has been, ok in one match, not ok in the next. Should be far less issues with the Video Ref. Francis
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Post by sirfrancis on Sept 2, 2022 16:30:07 GMT -6
I didn't think Morley should have sent off for that, a sin bin maybe, as it was the first tackle in a test match, Kearns got up and finished the match. I always thought the ref gives the biff a little lea way in tests, look at Willy Mason, he knocked out our prop and then took the head off our scrum half in one test, and he never even got penalised. Ian Yeah everyone wants to see a good contest and losing a player early totally ruins that. I suppose the send off was for the action which potentially could have been very serious, despite Kearn's tough head. Everyone likes a bit of Biff but cheap head shots is too dangerous. Inconsistency with Ref rulings is a big issue, always has been, ok in one match, not ok in the next. Should be far less issues with the Video Ref. Francis Latest news is I might be spending more time in England. My partner's son & missus are expecting a bub in Jan. They live in Walthamstow / Blackhorse. One of my bucket list items is to watch some English premiere league football as well as some Rugby League matches. I'm winding down at work, part time next year, retiring 2024. Yay!
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 3, 2022 12:34:11 GMT -6
Hi SF, Walthamstow eh, near London if I recall, our nearest member to you would be Herosrest, he is a Londoner or therabouts. You could catch a few of the london premirer league games, maybe a london derby if you are lucky. You won't find any rugby league down there, south of the M62 motorway is rugby union country, who look down on our game. Union is very powerful and league is kept in its place. A lot of important people support union as it is the game played in all the schools, colleges and universities, and is regarded as a rich mans game, were league is working class. Widnes is a working class rugby league town, but our kids are not allowed to play league at school, only union.
If you make it up north, try and catch a Wigan v St Helens game or a Leeds v Hull game, the fans sing like a soccer match.
I am retiring too in 2024, 66 is the retirment age in Britain, but I may check on my finaces and rap in earlier.
Ian
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Post by sirfrancis on Sept 3, 2022 16:25:41 GMT -6
Hey Ian, I’ll be 60 in 2024. But I’m going to go 2 days a week 2023. I’m burned out.
We were in London for only 5 days in 2019. Had a full itinerary, Kew Gardens, Thames cruise, St Paul’s climb, Brit museum, theatre matinee-mouse trap, outdoor opera at Trafalgar Sq, Buckingham palace, plus plenty other spots. But most importantly...I managed to slip the girl and go to IWM, tour of HMS Belfast, and .... even got away for a day trip ‘without the girl’ up to Duxford airbase, great collection of warbirds and armour....phew I’m buggered just remembering all that. I still want to get to Bovington, hopefully can time it for their Tankfest show.
Yeah I figured the league games would be north. kinda reversed here, with league more dominant, although there is a strong union following. I enjoy the international union matches but I don’t watch domestic comp. Is it true that union shorts have pockets because a gentleman needs somewhere to put his handkerchief? Francis
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 4, 2022 12:50:31 GMT -6
I can not understand how everyone thinks that the village of thousands could only be on the west side of the river, not on the bluffs where lone tipi was but everyone hunker down on the west side of a stream near the mosquito and fly infested flats. Well, I can only go on what the survivors said, so if we pick out Martini and the three Crow scouts and use these as an example. Martini said he left Custer 500 yards from the river, thus he was in MTC and never saw an Indian let alone a bunch of tepees. The three Crows, said that they actually rode the bluffs between MTC and the river and fired into the camp on the west side of the river, they also never mentioned about any expansion into MTC. If this area was used as a camp circle them we would know about it. The only example of any camp outside the circles was the small Arapaho camp near the timber, I am sure that this enclave was reached by some of Reno's company M men and they set alight to a few. Aparently the Arapaho's were treated as spies by the main camp, and got moved out of harms way. There are some that think the Arapaho camp was the quite camp with "kids playing and dogs barking" which was mentioned by some of the survivors. Ian
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 4, 2022 13:02:37 GMT -6
Sounds like you had a great Time "sir" (don't know what else to call you besides SF). I have always yearned to go Bovington, but it is a 250 mile distance from my house and a four and a half hour drive. Trouble is that no one wants to go, my nephew Greg would have been a good choice but he has moved with his family to the Wirral. The Australian Armour and Artillery Museum do some great videos on youtube, their StuG III and Jadgpanther restoration vids are great. I have my own military web site which covers the period from 1919 to 1955, Geir (Noggy) and Bob Price have helped me out in the past, Geir was great at recreating the Norwegian army in 1940 and Bob did nice work for my US Marine company. link Ian
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Post by sirfrancis on Sept 5, 2022 4:34:00 GMT -6
Sounds like you had a great Time "sir" (don't know what else to call you besides SF). I have always yearned to go Bovington, but it is a 250 mile distance from my house and a four and a half hour drive. Trouble is that no one wants to go, my nephew Greg would have been a good choice but he has moved with his family to the Wirral. The Australian Armour and Artillery Museum do some great videos on youtube, their StuG III and Jadgpanther restoration vids are great. I have my own military web site which covers the period from 1919 to 1955, Geir (Noggy) and Bob Price have helped me out in the past, Geir was great at recreating the Norwegian army in 1940 and Bob did nice work for my US Marine company. link Ian Hey Ian, I've signed off a few times 'Francis'.... thought you saw that and just liked using 'SF' lol...all good. Yes the Aus Armour Museum looks good. However you think Bovington is a long drive? That museum is in Cairns which is about 30 hours drive for me...lol. Very comprehensive website, congrats. I like the armour reference data. A few years back I was very much into WW2 armour, I was a World of Tanks gaming addict... My military history interests go through phases ... So at the moment I'm more interested in WW2 early Cold War fighters. (I've started building 1/72 model fighters again this year after a long hiatus.) I did my masters degree on Ancient/Modern History. So enjoy Roman legions and Crusaders when they become flavour of the month... And just recently reignited my interest in LBH... as you've noticed... Francis
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 5, 2022 4:57:04 GMT -6
Good morning Francis. That's a coincidence, over the weekend I have been merging a matchbox puma with the top half of a airfix 234/4. Found a load of bits of old vehicles in a biscuit tin, fixed up four kits so far.
Ian
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