Was Donahue there? No. Melani? No. Why you choose their takes over people who were there is STILL a mystery. Shoot - I can post Wagner and say "See!"
COMPLETE NONSENSE! Martin
NEVER said ANY such thng. (And neither did French)
What Martin DID SAY:
"After I started from General Custer to go back I traveled 5 or 600 yards, perhaps 3/4 of a mile.
I got on the same ridge where General Custer saw the village the first time. On going back over that ridge I looked down into the bottom, and I saw Major Reno’s battalion was engaged."
Q. That place from which you saw the village and children, dogs and ponies,
was it the highest point down the river below where Major Reno made his stand?
A.
Yes, sir. The highest hill, the very highest point around there.""Q. Can you fix the point on the map where you saw the village? Look at the map and don’t try to do it unless you can.
A. It was on a line leading from Major Reno’s position to the point “7” as I understand the map, because when I came back a little bit beyond our position on the hill I saw Major Reno’s column fighting."
Q. Could you see the river from that place out there?
A.
No, sir. The river was right at the foot of the bluff. We could see the village.
Q. After you went back to Captain McDougall what trail did you then follow?
A. General Custer’s trail.
"A. We kept on General Custer’s trail, and
after we got on this ridge where I saw Major Reno fighting in the bottom. About this time we got there I saw Major Reno’s battalion retreating to the same side of the river we were on."
Herendeen
A.
I claim that what is called Weir’s Hill is the highest point on the ridge in that vicinity.
A. To
that highest point, Weir’s Hill, probably half a mile down {from Reno's position}.DeRudio
A.
It was on the highest point on the right bank of the creek, just below where Dr. DeWolf was killed. {pt 7}
Q. Was General Custer on that point?
A. No, on one nearer the river and the highest point on that side. Where I saw General Custer the river comes right under the bluff.
Q. About how far do you think it was from the point on the bluff occupied by Maj. Reno?
A.
I think it could not have been more than 5 or 600 yards. It was a higher
point but lower down on the river.
SAYS WHO??? See how myths get started!!?
Funny you place so much emphasis on "a little dip" on 'a ridge' on a battlefield from 150 years ago. Find Weir Hill now, which was confirmed quite specifically as THE highest point in 1876. Not quite the same is it? Roads and construction & rivers and time will do that. "dip" - Just silly. But we DO KNOW where that dip/ridge WAS - '1/2 way between the timber and the retreat' where the horses were run up and the strugglers were.
"I, White Eagle, and Bull followed Custer and five companies. We came upon a white soldier whose horse had given out, and he was kicking the horse and striking him with his fist and saying "Me go Custer. Me go Custer." As we went up a little dip we looked over and saw the valley..." Huh - just like Custer and Martin and Knipe and Curley and WMRH & HA & HM...
Soldier's detail is enough
when combined with everyone elses. That's why, as you know - I prefer someone, or actually a dozen or so primary witness someones, who were actually there; even left behind like Thompson short of Weir Hill (as witnessed by horse pushers & Soldier & Martin and explained by Thompson himself), or seen struggling down South Coulee as witnessed by Martin. NOT the opinions of someone else who wasn't there.
Weir Point as a route is a myth. As NO ONE actually with the command places them there. Not Thompson, and not Martin who was there. Not the hostiles like Standing bear, not Varnum who saw the gray horse company IN CEDAR south of Weir Peaks ('1/4 north of Reno'), not Knipe, and NONE of the crow scouts who DID go there - who in fact state they were left behind earlier when Custer went to the right down South coulee.
We KNOW Custer couldn't see the whole village from Weir Hill - its well understood and explained as early as the RCOI. (though exactly how big the village was - huh(??)
Camp figured all this out WITH THE WITNESSES over a hundred years ago. We KNOW where the command 1st hit the ridge (3-500' from Reno Hill. We KNOW where Custer waved/cheered (Weir Hill). We KNOW they made a right down the coulee there (various witnesses). We KNOW where strugglers (Thompson) were seen by scouts (various witnesses). We KNOW where Reno retreated (any map). We KNOW where DeWolf was killed (1891 USGS). We KNOW all this is over 1/2mile from Edgerly/Reno/and later Weir Peaks.
Martin
"Custer first halted on Weir's hill and took a look at village (from this point he could see only about 1/3 of it - Hunk and Blackfoot villages -
W.M. C.) Here he turned column to the right and went down coulee to Dry Creek and turned to left and followed Dry Creek straight for village.
About half way down to Little Bighorn we came into full view of the village"
"Did Custer follow the bottom South Coulee all the way and make turn into Medicine Tail or cut across the hill and save some of the
distance? No Custer followed coulee all the way."
"I kept on up the north and south coulee and soon met a mounted man whom I recognized as one of "C" troop, but whose name I did not know. He inquired where the command was and I
told him down the coulee quite a distance and that he had better fall back to the pack train"
"Dear Mr. Camp
the information that you wish to know about Boston Custer and the other man. wich he was Belong to some troops under Custer. and about 5
minutes after I met this man I met Boston Custer and not - very far were after words"
"Met Boston Custer half way between medium coulee and Weir Hill. Boston asked me where Custer was and if he had been attacked and I
said no. Soon after met Boston and met the two men. After this I heard a volley and looked back and saw Custer retreating back from the
river."
Curley w/Camp
"On the first line of bluffs back from the river there are two high peaks marked “A” on the map, now called Reno peaks. For some distance south of these there is a high ridge running parallel with the river, but not so high as the peaks. Custer’s command passed into the valley of a tributary of Reno Creek just behind this ridge and the peaks and went down it, going in a direction directly north and coming out into the bed of Reno Creek about a mile from its mouth at ford B"
etc. etc.
See this thread for all the details from ALL the other WITNESSES...who all agree.
lbha.proboards.com/thread/5766/weir-hill-myth-cedarOnce again - Can you post anyone besides Donahue - who actually witnesses them on Weir Point? Actual witnesses?
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