|
Post by quincannon on Jun 8, 2015 18:55:59 GMT -6
How narrow is it Tom?
I agree with what you said about being slow, very slow, but with two problematic terrain features one on each side of their line of advance toward the Yellowstone, a good size rear guarding screen to the south of the moving infrastructure would have to be dealt with, and the Army did not do such a good job of that on 6/25.
To me the width of the Tullock's Creek corridor is a key issue.
|
|
|
Post by tubman13 on Jun 8, 2015 19:25:47 GMT -6
Chuck, the area I saw is probably wide enough for movement but not nearly a flat as LBH area. As I said I was on roads looking toward north I would say rougher terrain than any where along the Little Horn or the Big Horn. I would not ant to use that route to escape you and Will. From the look of it I could use some of what I saw for rear guard actions, but the progress of non combatants would be slow. It is a creek valley not a river valley it may have smoothed out further north. As I said the dual lane and paved areas are just fine. I will look again in two weeks and ask for local opinions. You can find on topo maps.
Regards, Ton
|
|
|
Post by quincannon on Jun 8, 2015 19:41:10 GMT -6
I would appreciate a report back, and think Justin would as well.
You and AZ stay safe out there.
|
|
|
Post by tubman13 on Jun 8, 2015 19:59:12 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by quincannon on Jun 8, 2015 20:22:21 GMT -6
Permission to revise and extend.
Fully agree Tom. That is no way to go, if your are slow moving and someone is potentially chasing you.
If I were an Indian though, not encumbered, that is the place I would not mind fighting the entire U S Army of 1876.
|
|
|
Post by welshofficer on Jun 9, 2015 5:53:42 GMT -6
Permission to revise and extend. Fully agree Tom. That is no way to go, if your are slow moving and someone is potentially chasing you. If I were an Indian though, not encumbered, that is the place I would not mind fighting the entire U S Army of 1876. QC,
"Potentially" = how badly they have mauled the 7th? There's an "open road" to the Yellowstone, if Terry/Gibbon are in the BH/LBH valleys.
WO
|
|
|
Post by quincannon on Jun 9, 2015 6:16:06 GMT -6
WO: I am thinking more here of the head start that would be required, and that is the reason I rejected due east, and that Tullock's ground looks worse than due east. I am strictly talking about the infrastructure here.
I think we must also keep in mind here what the Indians knew. They were just as blind as anyone else when it came to making decisions of this sort. They had no earthly idea how many US Forces were in the field or their locations at the time they would have had to make such decisions.
Let's say the mauling was the historical mauling. Under those conditions they would have done just what they did,I think.
I am sure you realize that my willingness to take on the 1876 U S Army in the Tullock's Creek area contained a teensy weensy bit of hyperbole, however it is and excellent area for the irregular force to thump the stodgy third world power army of the U S
|
|
|
Post by welshofficer on Jun 9, 2015 6:54:40 GMT -6
QC,
If the hostiles have mauled the 7th and most turn down TC (it could simply be a toss of the coin!), that would have been a real problem for Terry. Serious egg on his face. They just need a screen behind them which I would expect the Hunkpapa to provide.
WO
|
|
|
Post by quincannon on Jun 9, 2015 7:31:26 GMT -6
I assume you mean more egg than already there?
It all goes back to the fact that if you do not whiff beforehand, it is always your fault when they do what they do do.
A lot of do do in that, and that does not change from the historical example of a lot of do-do.
Professionalism means a whole lot more than drawing pay for your job. In this latter sense none of these guys were professional at all. Think about your favorite sports team. What if all they did was draw pay for showing up, no practice, no honing of individual and collective skills, underrating opponents, no scouting the opposition, no coaching, no development of on field leadership, no farm club development system. Under these conditions I highly doubt that this favorite team of yours would be your favorite for very long. When someone, your adversary or potential adversary, is armed and has demonstrated a willingness if not the open desire to kill you, it is best to take that someone very seriously and take appropriate measures to insure they cannot fulfill their hearts desire. If anyone can show me that anyone under Terry's command took this affair seriously prior to 6/25/76, and should not be considered a giggling concubine, I would certainly like to hear of it.
Then if you can't come up with an example of the seriousness required, please comment on why people like Mackenzie did and they did not.
|
|
|
Post by AZ Ranger on Jun 9, 2015 9:02:42 GMT -6
Wo, Sorry this response took so long. Yes the NA's could have moved through TC. Amount of water better sometimes than others. We must consider what they are dragging. Also I have only been on paved roads in to that area. I do not how if the area has changed over 139 years. The key to all of this is what they are dragging, they had no wheels. How many ponies and needs would be lost. I think that they would have been run down, or have lost most of their belongings and scattered north and east. Aside from floating, visiting Eagles Nest, I will ask AZ if he wants to inspect TC. I will also ask Rangers at the park. I don't have a horse, and would not take one that far if I did. That would be the proper way to inspect, if the Crows would not shoot me. Regards, Tom Back for a short time and getting things ready for the trip to Montana. I guess we need to work out a game plan once we get there. I have to go to remedial 3411 class also. I have had it in the wrong place. Steve
|
|