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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 26, 2006 12:34:58 GMT -6
Pretty enormous argument... Congratulations, that's by far the biggest contribution on this board !!
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 26, 2006 12:35:59 GMT -6
PS: Maybe scalps hanging from my belt would be more impressive than stars . . . the ToE would get a kick out of that! Sure, ask Black Kettle's ancestors if they still have Willie Blinn's scalp... Could be a great souvenir of the Old Cheyenne times
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 26, 2006 12:37:43 GMT -6
Short contribution. What about LBH ? You know, the June 25th battle ? OK, smartie. How about this? If Custer had given Reno support as he said he would, Custer's column would have gone back to Reno and supported his entire command at Reno-Benteen where they at least would have had a chance to defend themselves. Custer didn't support Reno; Custer died. End of story. Custer attacked the Indians by flank and it was by far the best way to support Reno. If Reno had hold the timbers or join Custer afterwards, as General Miles, Lieutenant Godfrey, Lieutenant Varnum and Lieutenant Jesse Lee of the RCOI said, the battle would have been won.
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Post by crzhrs on Apr 26, 2006 12:40:13 GMT -6
I knew you'd like the scalp thing . . . that's exactly why I posted it. Not for Diane, but for you!
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 26, 2006 12:43:29 GMT -6
I knew you'd like the scalp thing . . . that's exactly why I posted it. Not for Diane, but for you! ;D ;D I love the ancient manners by the romantic Lo ! Makes me think that perhaps our civilization wasn't so great, because we had so many things to learn from the NA : scalping, torturing, cutting fingers... aaaahhh the old times....
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Post by Tricia on Apr 26, 2006 12:44:34 GMT -6
Leyton, we HAVE to discuss LBH! I need you with me on the bus tour so you can fill in the gaps of my knowledge. My LBH encyclopedia (read that husband) won't be on the tour because he's one of the tour guides who will be meeting the tour group in the valley fight area. Okay, we can talk LBH ... but it won't be West and CSS' version of the event. I've actually been hiking around Reno's retreat route, so I'll be interested to see it again--but only if it's not raining. I must confess, I know more about Custer's battalion, however.
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Post by crzhrs on Apr 26, 2006 12:46:31 GMT -6
Apparently you are a sucker for my facetiousness! Stop taking everything so serious and get a life!
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 26, 2006 12:50:51 GMT -6
Apparently you are a sucker for my facetiousness! Stop taking everything so serious and get a life! In fact I was not taking things seriously... aaah the old times with all our friends the NA
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 26, 2006 12:51:52 GMT -6
Also General Miles' and Lieutenant Jesse lee's version of the event.
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Post by Tricia on Apr 26, 2006 12:53:06 GMT -6
In fact I was taking things not seriously... aaah the old times with all our friends the NA Hey, I resemble that remark!
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 26, 2006 12:54:40 GMT -6
Taking good time at the Solomon River, hands to hands... aaaahhh the old times
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Post by Tricia on Apr 26, 2006 13:06:13 GMT -6
Taking good time at the Solomon River, hands to hands... aaaahhh the old times I'm sorry, CSS--but you have racially slurred me for the last time. I don't frankly care what happened at the Solomon River. I don't really care what happened to the Blinn chick. Nor do I care about the Box woman. Emotionally, at least. It's all a sad part of the bigger history of who did what to whom. Emotionally, I do care about Sand Creek and the Marias River, but only so much--as it wasn't me and it wasn't my people. I'm dine' and we put down our arms a long time ago. Stuff happened. End of discussion. Unless of course, you are willing to discuss your people's unforgiveable and complete abandonment of the Jews in Nazi Germany. Thanks to the concerted and conceited efforts of the Swiss nation, how many more Jews took that visit to the gas chambers? You folks only had to open your borders. Yet, you toss verbiage towards me and other Native Americans like we are still perpetrating what happened in the Nineteenth Century ... so in that sense, shouldn't I hold you responsible for the crimes of your fathers? If you want to go on being an insensitive blowhard, be my guest. But keep your insults to individual participants in the LBH battle and not entire swaths of people. Regards, Leyton McLean
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Post by YellowRose on Apr 28, 2006 23:01:35 GMT -6
While I am new to this message board, I (for the most part) have enjoyed the sharing of information and good-natured ribbing that the participants have posted for each other. This particular thread started out as a recognition for participation in the message board (thanks Diane for your good intentions).
It continued in that vein until CSS made his comment about comments not being relevant. The tone of the thread darkened at that time and, to me, was no longer fun to read.
Thanks to Leyton for the last reply that restored some sanity.
I do have a question for CSS and West: I am really curious and have been wanting to ask you this. Are you psychology majors? Are you writing a thesis on how a person responds to someone (you) who verbally bullies others under the guise of sharing historical information?
Stirring the pot to add a little "pizazz" or sparkle to discussion adds value to the board discussions. Stirring the pot to insult others does not.
Thank you in advance for your response.
Best wishes to all.
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Post by bubbabod on Apr 29, 2006 0:22:35 GMT -6
Leyton and Yellow Rose, outstanding posts.
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Post by El Crab on Apr 29, 2006 0:39:56 GMT -6
CSS is the one who decides what is relevant.
And I think Leyton has a very valid point. Why aren't they concerned with the actions of their own government during WWII? Maybe all of this hostility and anger towards a violent and brutal race is some sort of subconscious shame for their own country's dubious recent history.
I certainly think it explains their frequent attempts to refight a battle long over, and for their rather patriotic fervor for a country they are not from. If I was from a country that never took a side, yet had a history of fighting and helping the highest bidder, I'd too want to latch onto a nation that definitely takes sides and goes to war to resolve the issue. And I'd certainly be ashamed of the fact that Switzerland may have supplied Germany with lots and lots of munitions, that Switzerland closed its borders but allowed the Nazis to move freely, and that Switzerland ended up with untold amounts of unclaimed wealth after the war. I too would want to celebrate and identify with the US, if my own country watches from the sidelines.
Personally, as proud as I am of what my country did in WWII, I am a bit ashamed that they didn't act sooner. And whenever I go to my parents' house, I always notice the military items they have on display: my great-grandfather's enlistment paperwork for WWI, and my mom's dad's folded American flag. He wasn't killed in the war (I wouldn't be here), but he died when my mom was a teen. He served in the European Motor Pool, and I wish I could have had the chance to talk to him about it.
But then I have the WunderTwins, telling me I am a loser for my political beliefs (though they're just guessing at what those are), and I am not a real American. It reminds me of that Beach Scene in JAWS, when Mrs. Brody is asking when she can become an Islander. And she is told that she'll never be one. I always thought "well, that sucks, I could never be one either." The WunderTwins, for all their love of the US and zealous defense of our past, can never truly be Americans. Sure, they could come here and become a US citizen, but just like Ellen Brody, they weren't born on this island. Call me an elitist, but I take some comfort in that. And I think that's where some of this hostility comes from. They see us apologizing and sympathizing with the Red Man, which they see as weakness and lack of pride in our nation. We are unworthy of a status that they so desperately wish they had themselves.
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