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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 8, 2013 9:02:56 GMT -6
Sorry Chuck, I am not just at the races today, yes Kenya, some of the ex- Mau Mau are trying to sue the British Government for cash claiming they were tortured, maybe there were I don’t know, but that was before I was even born so I hope they gets none of my tax money, so I would like to see what the fate of a British soldier would have been, if captured, they can’t claim cash if they were tortured.
Yes my mate Tom was in Malaya, he also served in the garrison at Hong Kong.
It’s funny world, an African Guy was on TV around a year or so ago, and his said that the British Government should pay the African people 17 billion pounds in compensation for the slave trade about 200 years ago, now this dick head (I don’t know what his name was and I don’t even care) should have done his homework, yes slaves were taken, but it was his fellow Africans and Arabs who hunted down Black tribes and handed them over to the whites for cash (are the decedents of these guys going to pay compensation ?), Britain was also the first nation to abolish slavery, so I would say one thing to this fool of a man, ok you want 17 billion, you have already received it, over the last 30 years Britain has poured money and aid into various African nations, probably more than 17 billion.
Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 8, 2013 9:26:51 GMT -6
Ian: I am surprised that there are not some in the UK trying to sue France for the Norman invasion, and those in France not suing the UK for unlawful arrow flight at Agincourt. All of these things serve only to fester hatred. My daughter uses the phrase with my grandson when it is time he own up to his failures and misdeeds, or the failures and misdeeds of others directed toward him - Pull up your big boy pants and move on. Not bad advice I think.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 8, 2013 10:04:28 GMT -6
Chuck, would you count the Normans as French?, I thought they were Vikings that invaded that small area and decided to settle, a lot of men that made up Williams army were German mercenary’s, so I would say that they were Scandinavians with a few Germanics threw in, I think that King Harold was a little bit on the Danish side too.
Yes there are too many fools out there with chips on their shoulders; I would say that Britain was one of the most unpopular nations in Europe because of the invasion of Iraq.
We have a yearly show over here in Europe called the Eurovision song contest (Richard will know of this, his country has won it a few times), every nation it Europe sends an act to take part, the UK used to fair well, even though the show is a bit of a joke, but ever since Iraq, no one and I mean no one votes for the UK (well Ireland did once or twice), just another indication that some nations should ‘’as you say’’ pull up their pants and move on.
Ian.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Feb 8, 2013 11:09:21 GMT -6
The Normans were Viking stock that had lived in Normandy for a few centuries and were as French as Viking. They certainly thought of themselves as near French and part of France, kinda-sorta. It was their language and England had to wait till George III for an English monarch whose first language was English and not French, Dutch, or German. Of course, after only a century or two the French of the English and the French of the French was so different that treaties were a miasma and commissions appointed jointly had to write and explain what everyone was agreeing to.
The Norse tended to be larger than other Europeans, and the Plantagenets, the dynasty of the Conqueror in England, featured Richard I, reliably 6 ' 6", and Henry VIII, three inches shorter, but near giants compared to the Celts, Galls, Germans not already polluted with Viking blood. Royalty ate better, true. This, along with stirrups, made Harold meat on the table for knights with lance since they could stay in the saddle and blow over shield walls.
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Post by wild on Feb 8, 2013 12:13:14 GMT -6
Sorry Chuck, I am not just at the races today, yes Kenya,Hi Ian I hate to add to your woes but your If the U.S. Government wanted to commit total Genocide on the American Indian, then they would have to murder members of the tribes that were friendly too This is not the case and I refer you to a clarification issued by Lemkin himself. Lemkin defined genocide as follows: "Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves The system imployed by the US brought about the cessation of tribal life and all manifestion of that life.This is genocide.
Quinncannon You live in a nation of whinning sheep led by witch doctors and rabid dogs. It is to be regretted that a colonel of the US armed forces would represent himself in such a fashion.It brings neither credit nor dignity to you yourself or your profession. Hitler and his facist louts refered to the Jews as rats and untermench.Must you now adopt the mannerisms of the third reich? Genocide is the title of this thread;an invitation by alfakilo to comment presenting both sides of the arguement.Try to realise that it is an academic debate not an attack on the US.Try to keep a grip of your emotions and respect opposing opinions.
Having local help does not mittigate the crime. I think the figure for slaves shipped to the West Indies by Britian is 2 million.A lucrative business.The slave was worked to death on sugar plantations over a period of 3 years.All part of Empire building on the bones of African slaves. The 17 billion your dick head is seeking Ian is but a drop in the ocean compaired to the loot Britian gained from it's empire.
I would say that Britain was one of the most unpopular nations in Europe because of the invasion of Iraq No it was not.Why?because hundreds of thousands of ordinary Brits paraded through London protesting against the war.These decent people saved Britian's honour.
just another indication that some nations should ‘’as you say’’ pull up their pants and move on. At least 100000 Iraqis died in that conflict.You remember it was about WMDs?Oops a mistake.You see it all began when the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran and installed a nutter ------.
but near giants compared to the Celts, Galls, There was a celtic culture but no celts.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 8, 2013 13:41:44 GMT -6
Hi Richard;
‘’I think the figure for slaves shipped to the West Indies by Britain is 2 million. A lucrative business. The slave was worked to death on sugar plantations over a period of 3 years’’.
Well it was a jolly good job the British put an end to it eh.
Do you think we should give Africa 17 billion pounds Richard, we are in a triple dip recession at the moment, the Government says it has to close down Schools, Hospitals and help for the old, and last week we are sending 3 million pound to Somalia, now I hope that cash gets to the people who need it and not to the lunch table of the local mayor, so is that man right to demand cash for Africa from the English Tax Payers, after all the British working man from around two hundred years ago certainly never made money out of slavery.
Do you think that both Britain and the U.S killed those 100000 Iraqis, I know one thing for sure, they are very good at killing each other, and at killing British, remember the six lightly armed British MPs who were trapped in a Police Station and slaughtered, they fought off frontal attacks by groups of militia armed with both LMGs, HMGs and RPGs.
Concerning the Eurovision Song Contest, was has happened to Johnny Logan (also called Mr Eurovision) the Australian Born Irish winner and long-time participant of the Eurovision Song Contest.
Ian.
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Post by benteen on Feb 8, 2013 14:44:30 GMT -6
Ian,
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy
Be Well Dan
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Post by wild on Feb 8, 2013 15:14:06 GMT -6
Hi Ian Not at all.Statutes of limitation and all that. As regards Iraq the war was illegal.Blair put together a spurious case for going to war.If a vote had been taken in Britian the case for going to war would have been defeated. Anyway Bush and Blair took the decision to use violence against Iraq.The result of that decision was the death of 100000 [ at least]Iraqis.It matters not that many were killed by insurgents.Bush and Blair set the dogs of war loose and must take responsibility for the resultant slaughter. You must remember that Saddam was armed and supported by the US and Britian in it's war with Iran.[Margaret actually supplied him with his chemestry set].So when you use terminology like" nutters" remember they are not all confined to the other side.
Johnny Logan?I believe he ran away with Dana. Be good.
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Post by quincannon on Feb 8, 2013 21:44:11 GMT -6
Richard: There was once a fellow who taught school in New Jersey named Wilson who once said "Of all rights there is none more important than human rights" You might want to ponder that a while
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 9, 2013 6:15:50 GMT -6
Hi Richard, we can argue all day about what Blair/Bush did, and also what happened 30 years ago at what Maggie (god I hate mentioning her name) did along with Regan, but the bottom line is this;
Saddam was a killer, he killed thousands upon thousands of Iraqis (he could kill 10000 of his people at a drop of a hat), he also invaded another country (Kuwait), he also fired ballistic missiles at various Countries around the region, and after that he was let off, he went back to his luxurious palace in Baghdad and went on with his usual business of murder, now are saying that this man deserved to be left in power, he needed ousting, now then we have Al Qaeda, they attack the British and U.S. in Iraq calling them invaders and infidels, but after the allies pull out this lot carry’s on bombing civilians, not only that two of the main religious groups (Sunni and Shiite) also decided to kill each other, such a cess pool of crap that place is, I am glad we are out of there. So what I am saying Richard is this, would you like to see Saddam still in power and killing his people on a grand scale.
Hello Dan, it’s good to have a good moan now and again, I don’t know if you are aware that I am a painter, and work for myself, now January and February are normally quite months, most people have already got any decoration work done before Xmas, but it’s gone so dam quite at the moment, so far I have had one job this year, a good friend of mine (who is an electrician) has let me join him on a re-wiring job as his labourer next week, so that’s why I went a little over the top on politics, even went down the job centre last week and all the jobs were part time and low wage to boot, so I am sorry if I seemed a little annoyed.
Ian.
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Post by benteen on Feb 9, 2013 10:14:03 GMT -6
Ian,
Perish the thought that I was in any way upset with you or anyone else. Saying what you feel is exactly what the forum is about. My statement was aimed at politicians of which I have no use for.
Be Well Dan
PS...Isnt it always the way. You go into a new home and you get the rug pulled out from under you. Keep a stiff upper lip my friend, this too shall pass.
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Post by alfakilo on Feb 9, 2013 10:14:32 GMT -6
You know, folks, I've found the LBH story to be highly entertaining and a good place to let imaginations loose as we try to make sense of what happened there. I very much appreciate everyone's opinions in that regard. In fact, as here, I've even tried to stoke a conversation or two myself.
However, what I don't appreciate is having my conversation polluted with remarks from pissy Europeans whining about events long in dispute that have zero relevance to LBH. I've seen other message boards infested with these angry and small-minded people, and the result other than giving them a venue to vent their considerable spleen is never good.
For those folks, I welcome their participation in LBH conversations, but if all they have is the aim of ragging on the US, then all I have is this.
Take your embittered personal issues somewhere else.
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Post by justvisiting on Feb 9, 2013 16:08:50 GMT -6
AK, there are several Europeans on the board but only one wishing to use 20th century mores for 19th century behavior. You're sharp enough to figure which one that is.
Billy
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Post by wild on Feb 10, 2013 3:56:27 GMT -6
Hi Ian So what I am saying Richard is this, would you like to see Saddam still in power and killing his people on a grand scaleA very good moral arguement unfortunately the world does not function that way. For example did you ever hear of Pinochet?Pinochet was the thug the CIA installed as a dictator of Chile.The CIA staged a coup murdering the democratically elected leader Allende.Pinochet went on to the murder,torture and imprision his own people on a grand scale.When at last the law caught up with him Margaret gave him sanctuary. If Saddam had towed the line [US] he would still be in power today.Morals are not a consideration in world affairs. But the question you pose gives rise to another question;should the Iraqi people [the 100000 victims]have a vote? Best wishes
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 10, 2013 4:36:47 GMT -6
Hi Billy, I hope he does, because I have never slagged the U.S. off in any shape or form, so it’s a good job I don’t take it personal when someone (doesn’t matter what country he is from or continent) starts shouting the odds. Threads do change paths, probably because it’s original theme has run its course, it has happened to threads I have started, but you just let it go.
Thanks Dan, yes I have been in this boat before, it will right its self in the end.
Hello Richard, what Thatcher did is no concern of mine, I never voted for her in the first place, I don’t understand your last question (should the Iraqi people [the 100000 victims]have a vote?) I thought these people were dead, so how can they vote.
Ian.
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