What kind words would you have me say to describe men of an outfit organized for the sole purpose of killing Indians...?
So despite your premature disparagement of "Tonto," he was, as QC said, the model of a decent, intelligent, kind, and strong red man. Or would you have preferred to see the Lone Ranger with a side-kick speaking Yiddish?
Best wishes, Fred.
I'd have to cast my vote for Yiddish. Shades of Gene Wilder in The Frisco Kid still cracks me up.
So despite your premature disparagement of "Tonto," he was, as QC said, the model of a decent, intelligent, kind, and strong red man. No he was not. He was an insult to Indian culture. Described as the faithful companion to the Lone Ranger: giving him the same status as lassie.He had to be Indian cos they did not really count thus allowing the Ranger to maintain his title of lone. A hamfisted attempt to show that all Indians were not bad. So they dress him in Shane's hero suit ,sweat band [no feathers mind],sixgun and horse with saddle,bags and roll.Oh but it was a piebald. Decency,intelligence,kindness and strenght do not require US mainstreet apparel or imprimatur. All praise to those who take on the role of gateguard against racism and bigotry but for God's sake at least be able to recognise it when it comes knocking.As an exercise start with the Black and White minstrel show;the model of decent charming all singing all dancing multi cultural entertainment. Regards
Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 25, 2012 10:08:45 GMT -5
Hello Richard, funny you mentioned the ‘’Black and White Minstrel Show’’, I remember that program being took of the air over here because they said it was racist, they also did the with the ‘’Robinsons Jam Jars’’, my favourite Indian actor was Chief Dan George, his dry comments made the film ‘’The Out Law Josey Wales‘’.
Our youngest son came back from a week course in Dublin last week and he enjoyed it, he was base in the south of the city, and was warned not to go over the river to the north after dark because it was dangerous, but all in all he said it was well worth a visit.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Oct 25, 2012 13:46:43 GMT -5
"In his book, published in 2004, Franks dwells on the variety of ways he had devised to start the Iraq War, but he has little to say about how he thought it should end. He insists that he did a lot of hard thinking about post-war Iraq, but a chart he proudly reproduces in the book, outlining his “basic grand strategy,” shows nothing to support that claim—it is all about attacking, nothing more."
The assignment of the frontier Army and the one in Afghanistan is remarkably similar. And officers are making the same errors, it seems. Just a nudge to read Ricks in The Atlantic this month.
".. all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed...." T.Jefferson, Declaration of Independence
Post by quincannon on Oct 25, 2012 14:15:14 GMT -5
DC: Depite what he writes Tommy Franks never did any hard thinking in his life. A good friend of mine was sent down to Tampa at the request of Rumsfeld himself to get Tommy on the right track. He (my friend) told me that Tommy Franks was akin to a box of rocks. I can share some of what was said by PM if you desire. Publicly though it would start more contention on this board than if I said George Custer wore pink undergarments, so I would rather share it privately.
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Post by quincannon on Oct 25, 2012 20:05:01 GMT -5
Dan: I hope you have read the Ricks article or will soon do so. It is actually worse than Ricks paints it. There are some who are competent truth tellers. Unfortunately generals are picked by generals, and they tend to pick people who think , act, and have the backbone of Jello they possess.
Dark Cloud I believe does some investigative work. I would love to see him look at the complete records of every general and flag officer in the service, and then look at who sat on their promotion boards, whom did they serve as an aide, whom did their daddy attend a service academy with, and all the rest of the "real" indicators of their pathway to success. The general public thinks generals are a measure of battles won and lost. In reality it is more a factor of who their rabbi is, and how that person is slotted into career enhansing assignments. Show me a guy who was an Aide de Camp as a captain. a joint assignment as a major. a short service battalion commander, and a below the zone selection for Colonel, and I will show you a guy who is going to be a BG, regardless of any talent he may or may not possess.
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Unfortunately generals are picked by generals, I'll hazzard a guess and suggest that the appointment of all senior officers ls by a promotions board containing representitives of all branches of the armed forces plus civilian experts in varied fields of management. Generals picking generals is a sure way of fostering cabals leading to military junta. Lets be serious.
Whilst we are on the topic of Generals, I have been flicking through my books on the British Army in North Africa, and it seems that they also went through a few commanders in there time;
General Sir Archibald Wavell (served in North Africa, Middle East and the Far East, not a bad old chap) General Sir Claude Auchinleck (served in Norway, North Africa and the Far East, I think he should have got more credit for the way he stopped Rommel in 1942) Lieutenant-General Alan Cunningham (relieved of command 1941) Lieutenant-General Neil Ritchie (relieved of command 1942) Lieutenant-General Harold Alexander (served in France, Far East, North Africa, Sicily and Italy, not a bad record) Lieutenant-General Bernard Montgomery (need I say any more) Major -General Richard O’Connor (captured and later escaped) Lieutenant-General Philip Neame (captured and later escaped) Major -General Oliver Leese (served in France, North Africa, Sicily, Italy and Far East, another one with a good track record) Major -General Willoughby Norrie (relieved of command in 1942) (Acting) Major -General Eric Dorman-Smith (sacked and later trained the IRA) Major -General Freyberg (served in North Africa and Italy, commanding New Zealand troops, a brave man, led from the front and wounded twice)
I also remember the U.S Commander in Afghanistan (can’t remember his name) saying that the only way to win is to change the peoples outlook, he said that if the Americans shoot an insurgent, the news would get back to his village and this would make his friends join up and try to avenge his death, if this is true then we have no chance in winning this war.
Richard, I will ask him what hotel he stayed in when he was over there.
Hi Ian I also remember the U.S Commander in Afghanistan (can’t remember his name) saying that the only way to win is to change the peoples outlook, A year or so ago I saw a documentry film..A film crew followed a US platoon through their tour in Afganistan.In one scene the platoon CO was meeting with the village elders for the purpose of getting them to inform on the insurgents.He pointed to the valley below them saying if you assist us beat the insurgency we can have a motorway through that valley with hotels and casinos and disneyland. Ya see Ian they actually think we should all become Tontos. What frightened me reading through his Dark Emmince's posted essay was the reference to future wars.They are going to do another Iraq without a though to the 100000 innocents they have already killed there.
Richard, I haven’t seen that film, but it sounds like the Co was taking the piss because the cameras were there, I hope that the allies pull out of that area quick and don’t go back, the whole of that area plus the rest of the middle east is full of nut case Islamic fundamentalists begging to go to paradise, let’s leave them to it, they seem to be doing a good job of killing each other without our help.