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Post by quincannon on Mar 25, 2015 17:43:13 GMT -6
Used to be a special operations bird Dave.
HR has read far too many Barry Sadler novels.
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Post by fred on Mar 25, 2015 17:53:21 GMT -6
There is serene beauty in ugliness, Beth. The A-10 is one example. The F-4 Phantom is another. My two favorite planes. Andy Bush drove both of them. I probably met him in Saigon.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Beth on Mar 25, 2015 18:11:19 GMT -6
There is serene beauty in ugliness, Beth. The A-10 is one example. The F-4 Phantom is another. My two favorite planes. Andy Bush drove both of them. I probably met him in Saigon. Best wishes, Fred. I know what you mean about the A-10. I've never seen one in a war zone obviously, but at plenty of airshows. It's rather an ugly duckling on the ground but there is something utterly fascinating about it in the air. I can't really put it in words... The F4 I really don't have an opinion about. I've seen them of course but my interests in planes is more in the area of WWII and earlier. However the first time I saw a B1 I was so stunned that I couldn't even get the words out to tell my hubby I just saw one outside the my side of the car. He has never forgiven me.
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Post by dave on Mar 25, 2015 18:13:34 GMT -6
Beth The F4 had upturned and downturned wings and winglets. She was a more of a Morgan plow horse than a thoroughbred but a great plane. The A10 has much more graceful lines. They both have served the US well. Regards Dave
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Post by Beth on Mar 25, 2015 18:23:43 GMT -6
Beth The F4 had upturned and downturned wings and winglets. She was a more of a Morgan plow horse than a thoroughbred but a great plane. The A10 has much more graceful lines. They both have served the US well. Regards Dave Why would one use a Morgan as a plow horse? It's more handsome with a carriage. I was looking at pictures of the F4. Is that the same bird that sucked up a crewman on a carrier into its engines a few years ago and the guy survived? I guess what is ugly and beautiful is hard to describe. When you guys talk about which battleship or carrier are ugly or beautiful I am at a loss to see either. A J class yatch I can see the beauty, a battleship, no. I do want to learn to see the beauty though. Beth
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Post by dave on Mar 25, 2015 18:45:16 GMT -6
Beth That was during Operation Desert Storm, I believe, and the plane was an A 6 Intruder. The first all weather attack plane in Navy and still used in a limited basis as a counter electronic warfare aircraft. Regards Dave
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 25, 2015 19:04:27 GMT -6
Dave you are correct regarding the A-6, it may just have more letters behind the designation than any other!
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Post by quincannon on Mar 25, 2015 19:46:37 GMT -6
Warthogs. Big Coons eat at daylight. It is like chicken soup for the mind. My sense of well being and love of fellow man (that is gender neutral fellow man)is restored. The hour of redemption is close at hand.
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Post by dave on Mar 25, 2015 20:10:51 GMT -6
Tom I was a little unsteady on the A6 but thought I remembered correctly since a friend of mine's husband was a A6 mechanic and was afraid of being in front of the bird. The danger level for those kids on deck during flight operations is beyond my comprehension. It is a ballet of death. Regards Dave
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Post by AZ Ranger on Mar 26, 2015 6:53:06 GMT -6
QC Here in the South when you can't say something nice about a person we say "Bless his heart." HR in his own inimitable way visualizes the LBH and wants to exchange posts with others. It would be impolite to ignore him and as AZ has pointed out, HR occasionally hits the mark. The downside is the clean up. If anyone has ever kept ducks on their carports they know that ducks are the messy creatures on earth. If HR could limit his pictures, images, word coloring and just share his thought (s) it would be easier to reply. How do we know for sure that HR is the one out of step? He could be right.
Regards
Dave HR needs to meet the Duck Commanders
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Post by AZ Ranger on Mar 26, 2015 7:13:33 GMT -6
montrose - he did try. He did. Yan Taylor - There was a crossing place and scouts used it in the retreat. They were cut off on the east bank. There was a ford, Reno did not know of it! So.... it's not unreasonable to believe his intention was a return to ford A. One company was left behind besides many stagglers, and when that company moved off they were overwhelmed. The retreat was a rushed panic. It is as probable that the retreat from the river by Custer's command encountered exactly the same disaster. Back to support. It was on its way. It is understood that Reno eventually faced 800-1,000 hostiles. Benteen halved the odds and the packs and McDougall did so again. All Reno had to do was wait 10 minutes, since Benteen was at Ford A. It really is that simple. One of things that goes into making the best available decision is avoiding trying something that results in your destruction. You should strive to do it to the other side. That you admire try in an effort that results in a complete destruction of your command may be an indicator why we differ. In the Marine Corps I was taught that only hits count. Tries do not count. In law enforcement tries that result in hitting non targets result in lawsuits. I think this perspective is important. Is there a difference in a correlation between civilians and try and a correlation between military and results? Reno didn't try to charge a village and did not destroy his command. Reno made the best available choice in his opinion and did not charge the village.
Custer tried (whatever you chose) and destroyed his command. Custer's choice led to the destruction of 5 companies of the 7th cavalry.
Regards AZ Ranger
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Post by dave on Mar 26, 2015 12:44:50 GMT -6
AZ You might be on to something about HR meeting the Robertson boys. They could certainly communicate with him in his own language. They might even invite him to be dinner with them. Regards Dave
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Post by dave on Mar 26, 2015 13:26:40 GMT -6
Tom What was the deal about almost crashing your Albatross? Regards Dave
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 15:10:29 GMT -6
montrose - he did try. He did. Yan Taylor - There was a crossing place and scouts used it in the retreat. They were cut off on the east bank. There was a ford, Reno did not know of it! So.... it's not unreasonable to believe his intention was a return to ford A. One company was left behind besides many stagglers, and when that company moved off they were overwhelmed. The retreat was a rushed panic. It is as probable that the retreat from the river by Custer's command encountered exactly the same disaster. Back to support. It was on its way. It is understood that Reno eventually faced 800-1,000 hostiles. Benteen halved the odds and the packs and McDougall did so again. All Reno had to do was wait 10 minutes, since Benteen was at Ford A. It really is that simple. One of things that goes into making the best available decision is avoiding trying something that results in your destruction. You should strive to do it to the other side. That you admire try in an effort that results in a complete destruction of your command may be an indicator why we differ. In the Marine Corps I was taught that only hits count. Tries do not count. In law enforcement tries that result in hitting non targets result in lawsuits. I think this perspective is important. Is there a difference in a correlation between civilians and try and a correlation between military and results? Reno didn't try to charge a village and did not destroy his command. Reno made the best available choice in his opinion and did not charge the village.
Custer tried (whatever you chose) and destroyed his command. Custer's choice led to the destruction of 5 companies of the 7th cavalry.
Regards AZ Ranger I think this is the root cause of many of the disagreements from my perspective. I probably place to much weight on the perceived attempt or lack of attempt. While results are important, I am never overly critical of an employee who makes an effort, tries their best, or takes a calculated risk. Employees who don't go above and beyond or are risk adverse, I don't keep around. But then I'm not dealing with life and death scenarios like those in the military. Another aspect, which I know applies to me, is civvies may not fully grasp the latitude afforded an officer under orders and the decretion he/she has when faced with an ever evolving situation. Regards Mark
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Post by Beth on Mar 26, 2015 15:18:54 GMT -6
Tom What was the deal about almost crashing your Albatross? Regards Dave Albatross
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