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Post by fred on Aug 3, 2012 9:12:17 GMT -6
Don't waste your time and mine. They wouldn't like it; it deals only with the truth without patting anyone on the back for their brilliance.
Besides, it is a military and timing analysis only. That should keep its audience in single digits.... I am kind of amused when you say it only deals with the truth. When in reality it only deals with the truth as you see it. Another point that caught my eye is the comment that due to the fact that its military, it would bore all but a ( single digit) few Indians. Just so you know, Custer was in the marines and is fully capable of understanding your book. In fact when I gave him the book the first thing he did was look up the name Yellowrobe. The reasons, I will keep to myself. It does make me curious why input from the Indians would be a waste of your time when so much wasted time is spent on these boards trying to learn what the Indians know. I would like to know, exactly, where I say anything about any book I have written or will write "would bore all but a... few Indians." Where do I say that? Where do I allude to "Indians" in that phrase of mine? Just tell me where. As for truth, again, it is a "military" and "timing" analysis, and I will defy you-- and anyone else-- to prove wrong anything I document in the upcoming book. Defy! Do you understand the meaning of that word? I'll give you an example... on the other boards as well as with virtually every writer I have read, they claim Custer moved down Reno Creek at a "walk." I can provide accounts by seven people who were there that say otherwise. I would like someone to provide a single account to the contrary. So now, how do you define "truth." Fred's opinion? Then, just as a little tickler, I provide the definition of "walk," "canter," "lope," "trot," "gallop".... But according to you, if it is just my opinion, spare yourself the expense. I am also unimpressed that your friend was in the Marines... or was in any branch of the service. That's sort of like advanced degrees. My son was in the Marines; does nothing for me. Military titles and medals don't impress me... you see, I was there. I know what it is all about. You want rank or "medal-creep"? Ask Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillmon. Then talk to my former driver to see what he did to earn his Bronze Star. So spare me the military business. Same things with degrees. Check out LSU's qualifications for masters degrees. I knew a real estate agent in Florida who had a PhD in administration ( ) from the University of Pittsburgh. She didn't know what "n/a" meant on a real estate form. As for that first book of mine, if your friend had a criticism you are so loath to tell me about, then maybe he should have given me some input. Heaven knows the book was touted on these boards and the others, long before it ever saw the light of day. If someone was so all-fired interested in a particular individual, then maybe someone should have said something. Sort of like Red Cloud without the published caveats. As for Indians being a waste of [my] time, have someone tell you about all the Indian accounts I use in this forthcoming book. I stopped counting them once I passed 80 individuals. Seems to me like you need a refresher in reading comprehension. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by rosebud on Aug 3, 2012 9:54:29 GMT -6
Once again you jump to conclusions. What are you afraid of?
Just so you know, It had nothing to do with criticism at all. I just learned information that you don't have.
Besides, it is a military and timing analysis only. That should keep its audience in single digits. Fred
These are your words not mine. You are the one who brought up the military. You are the one who stated that single digit Indians would be interested in your book.
Are you saying they are stupid?
You need to explain your statement. To me it "reeks" of stereotyping the Indian.
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Post by plainsman on Aug 3, 2012 10:05:47 GMT -6
I thought the idea behind this site was sharing information. Not teasing with it and then hoarding it. Usually when someone pulls that stunt it turns out to be useless anyway.
(The word is "reeks.")
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Post by rosebud on Aug 3, 2012 10:30:30 GMT -6
Thank you. It does show that even with misspelled words. The meaning of a statement can be understood.
Now if you recall, I first stated that the first name Custer looked up was Yellowrobe. An assumption was made on Fred's part that it was to criticize his book and nothing could be farther from the truth. It had to do with his relatives. The story he told me had nothing to do with the LBH... It was just interesting to hear.
It is information, but it has nothing to do with the battle. I hope that is good enough.
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Post by plainsman on Aug 3, 2012 10:32:44 GMT -6
Well, if it's about LBJ I wanna hear it too!
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Post by rosebud on Aug 3, 2012 10:53:57 GMT -6
Don't you and quinn have some movies to talk about? I see you started your own thread so you can be pen pals.
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Post by quincannon on Aug 3, 2012 11:08:52 GMT -6
Rosebud: Get stuffed
Plainman: Don't worry he will soon go away giving as an excuse that the cows are in heat, or his putting game is not what it used to be. When he is in moods like this you can't talk to the man so it is just best to consider it a lost cause at reformation.
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Post by plainsman on Aug 3, 2012 11:14:35 GMT -6
Why would I want to talk to him?
He adds hypocrisy to his unpleasantness when he tells us the Yellow Robe stuff wasn't about LBH anyway. At first he wanted us to think that it was. But MOSTLY he was saying "See how cool I am— Indians share secrets with ME and not you! Nyah-nyah-nyah!" None of his posts told me as much about him as that one.
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Post by rosebud on Aug 3, 2012 11:32:25 GMT -6
And you keep responding. You two need to get a room.
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Post by plainsman on Aug 3, 2012 11:52:23 GMT -6
Notice the "adroit" deflection from himself. And the sly ad hominem with its slightly smarmy implications. Surest sign of dwindling ammunition.
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Post by quincannon on Aug 3, 2012 12:02:17 GMT -6
Rosebud: You serve to remind us, as we all need reminding once and a while, that certain individuals enter this world that are unworthy of the pain endured during childbirth.
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Post by rosebud on Aug 3, 2012 12:09:16 GMT -6
Ammunition? For what reason? Two yapping dogs at my heals? Hardly worth the effort. Do you have a purpose for all these posts? Are they getting us anywhere? Do you want the last word...If so .... have at it.... you have the floor. Then we can go on to something of relevance.
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Post by herosrest on Aug 3, 2012 19:46:02 GMT -6
Regards fred, Custer's movement was brusque and purposeful and that is a matter that many who develop battle fudge over, due partly to timing confusion. There was a gallop along the bluffs, and that is where for me, every assessment l have studied, simply falls apart by delaying the arrival of Custer,s command east of the village. As with the rate of advance, the arrival at Ford B is not presented properly timewise, despite the accounts of those present.
I do not believe that anyone yet, has offered a realistic view that incorporates Varnum, Curley, Kanipe, Martin, Thompson, Soldier, etc. Those who were there. The rate of advance puts the column opposite the village as Reno opened his fight and Martin's ride back with the note is consistent with that.
There is a tun of posts developed since my last visit, which i'm not into yet but this is one lively topic.
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Post by fred on Aug 4, 2012 15:18:29 GMT -6
Custer's movement was brusque and purposeful and that is a matter that many who develop battle fudge over, due partly to timing confusion. My goodness, Herosrest, I agree with you! I am getting nervous here... I agree with you again, though I would be interested to know how you define, "east of the village." It was a long village. The only "accounts of those present" came from the Indians, though you could make a case in generality for the volley firing heard on Reno Hill. You need to be more specific here. Again... there can be no "realistic view" incorporating anything Thompson said... other than some color commentary; Curley left too early; Kanipe wasn't there; Martini's story changed as the leaves flew by; and I believe I have do so regarding Varnum and Soldier. You just haven't read it. I would agree here, as well, providing your definition of "opposite the village" is anything like mine. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by herosrest on Aug 5, 2012 7:32:09 GMT -6
Cheers fred, east of...would be ford b area.
This is back to the general topic, and general comment, whom l currently serve under.
Advancing after the decision to attack Sitting Bull immediately, a three company element of 7th Cavalry moved south to observe the Little Big Horn valley above the big bend, and to prevent movement by hostiles in that direction. This was the southernscout to the left - SSL, considered to be, and referred to, as oblique.
This battalion of the regiment arrived near Sitting Bull,s village at about 2pm and some one hour behind the arrival of the main force led by Custer. Benteen,s command travelled at 5 mph and thus in terms of constant time distance, were five miles from the Ford A crossing over Little Big Horn river, at the time Maj. Reno crossed there. The actual distance would be considerably less than five miles due to the oblique's hypotenuse and route over (through) the terrain. Thus, between one and two pm,25th June 1876, three companies led by Capt. F.W. Benteen covered a maximum distance of five miles to be near the village. At one pm, Benteens command were no less than two miles from ford A and five miles from Reno,s line of battle.
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