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Post by quincannon on Nov 25, 2011 17:15:18 GMT -6
Sounds like something T.J. would say Whose words?
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Post by jag on Nov 25, 2011 17:24:59 GMT -6
Sounds like something T.J. would say Whose words? Text of The Declaration of Independence in CONGRESS, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
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Post by fred on Nov 25, 2011 18:00:41 GMT -6
Yes Fred, I got the same e-mail a couple of months ago, several years after Ed Freeman died.... Hey, Queenie... I didn't know that!!! I did, however, find it odd about an air force guy driving a Huey. I guess I am going to have to Google this thing.... Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on Nov 25, 2011 18:04:44 GMT -6
... I also noticed the date, plus the designation LZ X-Ray. The 1967 threw me and LZ X-Ray is a common enough and often used landing zone designation. I just never bothered to check on the coincidences. I guess by now I should know better.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by quincannon on Nov 25, 2011 18:10:58 GMT -6
Freeman died in either 07 or 08. I believe he had Parkinsons or something just as serious.
Never understood why Freeman and Crandall received the Medal and Moore, Plumley, Savage and a couple of others did not. Every one of them deserved it. Joe Marm who was awarded the MOH for that action was my son's battalion commander at Benning.
Those guys made it possible for our grandchildren's granchildren see the 1st Cavalry Division still serving our Colors.
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Post by benteen on Nov 25, 2011 18:21:40 GMT -6
Democracy--is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch
Liberty--- is a well armed lamb contesting the vote Benjamin Franklin
I know the meaning is about having rifles, but I will interpret it as being well armed with knowledge and a willingness to use it to correct what is becoming a country of the govt , by the govt, and for the govt.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"
Be Well Dan
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Post by quincannon on Nov 25, 2011 18:31:09 GMT -6
You guys will have to save the world for democracy without me tonight. TCM has a Sir Walter Scott night at the movies with Ivanhoe, Quinten Durward, and King Richard and the Crusades (The Talisman). Somebody tell Clair. Brian Bois de Gilbert is right up his alley.
Dan ---- Bon Homme Richard ?
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Post by fred on Nov 25, 2011 20:45:06 GMT -6
Freeman died in either 07 or 08. 2008. He was 80, not 70. The e-mail I got showed his picture next to an air force plane. He looked a damn sight older than 70. And my wife, who is married to a guy older than 70, agreed. Maybe, but Crandall and Freeman came in on their own hook. Moore and his men had no choice. It was their job and they just got caught in a situation where the intelligence reports were faulty-- if I remember correctly: 300, reported, versus, what, 2,500 or more? It is sort of like me fighting my way out of an ambush. The only award for that is getting to live another day. The Huey pilots could have sat it out until the noise died down. True-- and no argument here-- they all deserved one hell of a medal-- Silver Star, DSC, maybe-- but the MOH is reserved for those who have a choice. Or am I wrong? Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by montrose on Nov 25, 2011 21:03:25 GMT -6
We criticize North Korea as a one party state since WW2. But the USA has been a one party state since the compromise of 1876.
And the USA is a recent convert to the concept of democracy. The 1964 civil rights act was the moment we became a state based on democratic principles.
Of course the US is no democracy, we are a representative republic. A true democracy is Rwanda, the ultimate logic of democracy is genocide. The critical factor is protecting the rights of the minority. This principal is the underlying cause of all insurgencies.
So let the Occupy folks have their tents. They aren't out there making bombs like their 1960 counterparts. The car bomb was invented where I grew up in Boston in the 1920s. I actually delivered a newspaper to that house as a kid. A wonderful man named Mario Buda lived there. They were a bunch of Italian anarchists who are similar to the occupy folks. They were against a lot of things, not particularly for anything.
So how does this relate to LBH? DeRudio was an Italian anarchist, of the very same strain. I can see Count Noaccount living in a tent in NYC.
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Post by bc on Nov 25, 2011 21:10:29 GMT -6
Well three cheers for the Saxons, Ivanhoe, Robin Hood, and King Richard. Down with John. I hope the axe cuts the mace.
I do have a beef with helping countries where the British got there first. Besides teaching them the wrong King's english, they have no interest in our constitution or our form of government. Supposedly we are helping them acquire freedom but then they don't come up with the equivalent of our Bill of Rights for the common people to have the same freedoms. I don't think South Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan have adopted our Bill of Rights. Just seems like a waste. Anyone think Egypt or Libya will adopt any part of our constitution or be willing to bet on it. In the Muslim world only Muslim law will prevail and that doesn't match up with our Bill of Rights. Just another waste and the US will still be considered infidels no matter what we do.
I never cared for the parlimentary form of government and their votes of confidence whenever they want to change. Kind of an irrational way to do things. Why the US let Iraq do it, I don't know.
Speaking of pet peeves, it really bugs me after a natural disaster such as a tornado or hurricane that some idiot says it is like a "war zone". That idiot making the statement has no idea what a real war zone looks and smells like. I've been around a lot of tornado damage but have never been in a war zone so I could never make the comparison.
Awaiting an order to dismount the soapbox.
bc
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Post by bc on Nov 25, 2011 21:18:23 GMT -6
Fred, it reminds me of the marines who sat it out at Lang Vei when the SF was getting overrun by tanks. They weren't that far away but were afraid of the dark. Too bad our marines on this board weren't there or maybe we would have had a different result. I'm sure there were plenty that were itching to go but they were held back by marine commanders and maybe a dose of common sense.
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Post by quincannon on Nov 25, 2011 21:19:26 GMT -6
Well Fred, Joe Marm had a choice not to knock out that machine gun, and Ernie Savage had a choice to run with some others, but stayed to rally what was left of a platoon and held all night. I just don't know how to measure degrees of courage. I hate the word hero. I don't think there are such people. I think it is a matter of man reacting to moment, and there is no real name for it.
Will, my only problem with the Occupy folks is the past history of the passion fading and it being to cold, to hot. to lazy, someone else's job, to stand in the line to vote. We are a republican or reprsentative democracy, but when you can't manage to get off your (not yours but their's) dead ass and fullfill the only responsability you have under the Constitution, voting for that representative, then shame on their collective asses they deserve what they get.
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Post by bc on Nov 25, 2011 21:27:45 GMT -6
Chuck, that is another one of my pet peeves regarding the overuse of the word "hero". Everybody is a hero for doing their job. Kinda demeans our real heroes. Just being in a firefight shouldn't be grounds for a bronze star. Helping wounded is part of the job. Save the medals for those who do a little "above and beyond the call of duty". Sorry but I don't put firefighters in the same category as our military either.
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Post by quincannon on Nov 25, 2011 21:56:04 GMT -6
Well Britt, I will tell you of one firefighter who is my personal hero, the guy who saved my life when I was having a heart attack. But your right it is not the same under usual circumstances. Now when any man or woman risks their life to save another there should be another name, but there is no other word, so my man reacting to momment will have to suffice for me.
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Post by jag on Nov 25, 2011 22:05:36 GMT -6
We criticize North Korea as a one party state since WW2. But the USA has been a one party state since the compromise of 1876. And the USA is a recent convert to the concept of democracy. The 1964 civil rights act was the moment we became a state based on democratic principles. Of course the US is no democracy, we are a representative republic. A true democracy is Rwanda, the ultimate logic of democracy is genocide. The critical factor is protecting the rights of the minority. This principal is the underlying cause of all insurgencies. So let the Occupy folks have their tents. They aren't out there making bombs like their 1960 counterparts. The car bomb was invented where I grew up in Boston in the 1920s. I actually delivered a newspaper to that house as a kid. A wonderful man named Mario Buda lived there. They were a bunch of Italian anarchists who are similar to the occupy folks. They were against a lot of things, not particularly for anything. So how does this relate to LBH? DeRudio was an Italian anarchist, of the very same strain. I can see Count Noaccount living in a tent in NYC. Now here's a guy who has it right. The Democratic People's Republic of the United States of America (Don't stand too proud just yet....) The Democratic Republic of Vietnam The Democratic People's Republic of Korea The German Democratic Republic Just to name a few where Democratic and Republic have been perverted the same exact way.
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