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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Feb 8, 2011 17:59:58 GMT -6
Hello, I'm new here. I am sure I read somewhere that prior to the fight at LBH Custer announced: "The largest Indian encampment on the North American continent is in the valley below and propose to attack it" But if I did, I can't trace it. Did I imagine it or was it the irreplaceable Richard Mulligan in 'Little Big Man'? Could someone possibly put me out of my misery? Thanks Walkaheaps, you have already had some sound observations but your 'quote' is unlikely to be accurate. It seems to me an amalgam of various comments by participants, embellished as has been suggested. The comments from which it could have been 'cut and pasted' are:- Gerard interpreting a Bloody Knife comment for Custer, "He says we'll find enough Sioux to keep us fightin two or three days" (from the Godfrey Narrative in 'Custer Myth' page 136) In an article in the Billings Gazette of January 6 1934 the source reports Charley Reynolds as saying 'this was the biggest bunch of Indians he had ever seen.' (Custer's Luck page 280) Boyer to Custer, "General, I have been with these Indians for thirty years and this is the largest village I have ever known of' (Hare to Camp in Custer in '76 page 64) Herendeen to Camp (Custer in '76 page 221) reports Custer as saying to him that 'there was now no occasion for sending me [Herendeen] there [Tullocks] as the Indians were known to be in his front.....the only thing for him to do was therefore to charge their village as soon as possible.' It is not rocket science to work out that the foregoing words can be manipulated into almost any combination to create a stirring battle cry from Custer, but the reality is different. Hunk
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Post by markland on Feb 9, 2011 16:32:42 GMT -6
Hello, I'm new here. I am sure I read somewhere that prior to the fight at LBH Custer announced: "The largest Indian encampment on the North American continent is in the valley below and propose to attack it" But if I did, I can't trace it. Did I imagine it or was it the irreplaceable Richard Mulligan in 'Little Big Man'? Could someone possibly put me out of my misery? Thanks Walkaheaps, you have already had some sound observations but your 'quote' is unlikely to be accurate. It seems to me an amalgam of various comments by participants, embellished as has been suggested. The comments from which it could have been 'cut and pasted' are:- Gerard interpreting a Bloody Knife comment for Custer, "He says we'll find enough Sioux to keep us fightin two or three days" (from the Godfrey Narrative in 'Custer Myth' page 136) In an article in the Billings Gazette of January 6 1934 the source reports Charley Reynolds as saying 'this was the biggest bunch of Indians he had ever seen.' (Custer's Luck page 280) Boyer to Custer, "General, I have been with these Indians for thirty years and this is the largest village I have ever known of' (Hare to Camp in Custer in '76 page 64) Herendeen to Camp (Custer in '76 page 221) reports Custer as saying to him that 'there was now no occasion for sending me [Herendeen] there [Tullocks] as the Indians were known to be in his front.....the only thing for him to do was therefore to charge their village as soon as possible.' It is not rocket science to work out that the foregoing words can be manipulated into almost any combination to create a stirring battle cry from Custer, but the reality is different. Hunk Hunk, that makes sense. However, I want to talk about something going on at these boards recently. It started with Fred, a.k.a., The Rat, and DC, a.k.a., Dirty Bastard, developing an overly public case of man-love for each other. Now, I'm shocked silly in reading that you and DC actually agree on something! For crying out loud, two signs of the Apocolypse! What will be next? Me thinking Conz is the second coming of R.E. Lee? Me thinking Rinni looks heroic in his cavalry costume? Greece developing a work ethic? Maybe the Mayans couldn't count. Billy
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Post by markland on Feb 9, 2011 16:33:32 GMT -6
Hello, I'm new here. I am sure I read somewhere that prior to the fight at LBH Custer announced: "The largest Indian encampment on the North American continent is in the valley below and propose to attack it" But if I did, I can't trace it. Did I imagine it or was it the irreplaceable Richard Mulligan in 'Little Big Man'? Could someone possibly put me out of my misery? Thanks Walkaheaps, you have already had some sound observations but your 'quote' is unlikely to be accurate. It seems to me an amalgam of various comments by participants, embellished as has been suggested. The comments from which it could have been 'cut and pasted' are:- Gerard interpreting a Bloody Knife comment for Custer, "He says we'll find enough Sioux to keep us fightin two or three days" (from the Godfrey Narrative in 'Custer Myth' page 136) In an article in the Billings Gazette of January 6 1934 the source reports Charley Reynolds as saying 'this was the biggest bunch of Indians he had ever seen.' (Custer's Luck page 280) Boyer to Custer, "General, I have been with these Indians for thirty years and this is the largest village I have ever known of' (Hare to Camp in Custer in '76 page 64) Herendeen to Camp (Custer in '76 page 221) reports Custer as saying to him that 'there was now no occasion for sending me [Herendeen] there [Tullocks] as the Indians were known to be in his front.....the only thing for him to do was therefore to charge their village as soon as possible.' It is not rocket science to work out that the foregoing words can be manipulated into almost any combination to create a stirring battle cry from Custer, but the reality is different. Hunk Hunk, that makes sense. However, I want to talk about something going on at these boards recently. It started with Fred, a.k.a., The Rat, and DC, a.k.a., Dirty Bastard, developing an overly public case of man-love for each other. Now, I'm shocked silly in reading that you and DC actually agree on something! For crying out loud, two signs of the Apocolypse! What will be next? Me thinking Conz is the second coming of R.E. Lee? Me thinking Rinni looks heroic in his cavalry costume? Greece developing a work ethic? Maybe the Mayans couldn't count. Billy
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Post by fred on Feb 10, 2011 7:28:37 GMT -6
It started with Fred, a.k.a., The Rat, and DC, a.k.a., Dirty Bastard, developing an overly public case of man-love for each other. Now, I'm shocked silly in reading that you and DC actually agree on something! For crying out loud, two signs of the Apocolypse! What will be next? Hey, let's not get all gooey-eyed here! And besides, my clown-friends also know me as The Weasel, so much so that one of them actually sent me a bottle of beer with the label, "Fat Weasel Ale," can you believe it?! As for DC... no one has more respect for the man than I do... and that you can take to the bank. That doesn't me I agree with everything he says about the LBH, or that I agree with his opinions about various people, some of whom I count as "friends," even though we have never met. Even through all the acrimony I respected Darkcloud's opinions. The personal "thawing" in my relationship with him started with him, not me, whether he meant it or not... or however he meant it. He threw up a couple of complimentary posts about me, something he needn't have done. I read and re-read those posts and realized that had I done things differently, maybe none of this fiasco of the past would have occurred. I also noticed a small chink in that armor plate of his... something I doubt he is even aware he put up here. It was enough to make me re-assess my own opinions, my own feelings, and to assess a modicum of blame on myself, blame I did not think existed. And by the way, this applies to Diane, as well. In both cases-- Diane and Darkcloud-- I was wrong. That does not mean they were 100% correct, but it does mean that I should have been a bigger man than I was. And I should have been a lot smarter. This is not a public confession, it is simply reality and my own admission that I can be wrong and sometimes-- like George Custer-- very rash. Darkcloud contributes an enormous amount to these boards, and I do not mean in volume. He tries to keep them honest, something too many people are afraid of or resent. None of us are 100% correct about this whole passion of ours and none of us ever will be. Quite frankly, I like DC's approach; his is a super-critical approach that brooks no nonsense and challenges people to "prove" or support their theories and ideas with facts... or at least "facts" as can be best depicted. He eliminates the emotional stridency that permeates so much of this stuff and insists we recognize and understand reality. He is not anti-anything or anti-anyone... except stupidity. And that is why I have yanked the "Conz-board" off my menu bar and hidden the url deep within the bowels of my files. It's not that I won't go there any more, it just makes this lazy person a lot less apt to do so. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by crzhrs on Feb 10, 2011 8:29:29 GMT -6
<Greece developing a work ethic?>
"I don't wanna work I just wanna bang on my drum all day" and drink Ouzo, look at beautiful women and eat Greek food.
Work is over-rated anyway!
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Post by bc on Feb 10, 2011 9:55:11 GMT -6
Not to worry though, that small chink in his armor will still cause an 88mm anti-tank round to bounce off at a hundred yards.
Things have changed after CU was kicked out of the Big 12 and relegated down to the minor league pac 10. Probably good now that they have a good basketball coach with a great pedigree.
bc
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Feb 10, 2011 16:43:20 GMT -6
Hunk, that makes sense. However, I want to talk about something going on at these boards recently. 1) Now, I'm shocked silly in reading that you and DC actually agree on something! 2) For crying out loud, two signs of the Apocalypse! What will be next? Me thinking Conz is the second coming of R.E. Lee? Me thinking Rinni looks heroic in his cavalry costume? Greece developing a work ethic? 3) Maybe the Mayans couldn't count. Billy 1) Perhaps, like Horace, Concordia discors applies! In the normal run of things I would exhort nulimetangere, but sadly, it would be ignored. For someone who believes he has vatic qualities which he proclaims in that inimical way we are all familiar with, it leaves little room to doubt he is inconsonant and pleonastic. Absit omen2) Tut, tut, Billy, you of all people getting biblical on us? Rest assured, Bablyon is not fallen and the pale horse has no rider, so have a tequila, take a deep breath and realise that all is as it was. As for the Greeks, Quidquid delirant reges, plectuntur Achvi. 3) Perhaps the Mayans were no account? Be classic. Hunk
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Post by benteen on Feb 10, 2011 17:43:03 GMT -6
Hunk,
That last post cost me $30 for a thesaurus <G>
Be Well Dan
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Post by zekesgirl on Feb 10, 2011 19:08:40 GMT -6
Bet DC knew all the words.
(snickering back under my snowdrift)
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Reddirt
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Life is But a Dream...
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Post by Reddirt on Feb 10, 2011 19:31:11 GMT -6
How could DC not agree with Hunk? His posts are always calm, reasonable, intuitive, astute, open, and always polite. It is obvious to me that he always does his homework before replying to a post.
Sir, I salute you and thank you for your contributions to this forum and eagerly look forward to hearing more from you!
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Post by AZ Ranger on Feb 11, 2011 6:31:26 GMT -6
Opinions are what they are. You don't have to agree just because someone is "calm, reasonable, intuitive, astute, open, and always polite. It is obvious to me that he always does his homework before replying to a post"
Joe you have always thought that posing as a female and providing accolades would benefit your status as a poster. How's it working for you so far?
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Post by Dark Cloud on Feb 11, 2011 10:33:27 GMT -6
Like all your posts, Wiggs, hunkpapa's are still up if anyone wants to see what the issues were.
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Post by jody on Feb 11, 2011 16:17:00 GMT -6
The quotes sound apocryphal to me.
When did Bouyer and Reynolds see the village and the hoard of indians?
There were some indications: On the march a lit cloud was observed at night. From the Crow's Nest they saw, 15 miles away, smoke beyond the bluffs and white horses - the famous "worms crawling on the grass" - on the hills . No big village was seen in the valley, nor could it have been, what with intervening terrain. Of indians, Varnum took out after a few, a couple were spotted scouting near the main body, a small number were seen miles behind the column ransacking lost gear, and others were noticed "hunting buffalo over on Tullocks." The camp sites the troopers passed over were interpreted as one camp moving short distances, not one huge one, too.
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Feb 11, 2011 16:49:44 GMT -6
Hunk, That last post cost me $30 for a thesaurus <G> Be Well Dan Money well spent Dan. Keep 'em coming Atque inter silvas Academi quaerere verum.Warm wishes. Hunk
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Post by fred on Feb 11, 2011 16:55:35 GMT -6
I tend to agree with "Jody," but don't think Custer wasn't aware of the odds. It is not like he wasn't told. Here is a snippet from something I am putting together:
Second Lieutenant Winfield Scott Edgerly (Company D) said, “[T]he Indian’s village has been located in the valley of the Little Big Horn and the object (of the night march) being to cross the divide between the Rosebud and the Little Big Horn before daylight.” And Custer “… told the officers they would have the fight of their lives.” Apparently, Frederic Francis Gerard, the interpreter for the Rees, had told Custer he could expect to find 2,500 to 3,000 warriors, but either Custer chose to ignore the warning or he was confident the numbers did not matter. (Before leaving Fort Lincoln, Gerard told Terry there would be as many as 4,000 warriors if all those who had left the reservations united. )
You don't have the "fight of your life" with 800 Indians.
One of my major bones of contention with "Hunk" over the years is that Custer paid little heed to his scouts. Godfrey as well, admitted the officers messed up in reading the signs along the Rosebud. Apparently Boyer did not, nor did Bloody Knife for that matter. I doubt the Crows were bamboozled.
Best wishes, Fred.
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