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Post by WY Man on Jul 12, 2009 9:22:39 GMT -6
Great photos Steve. Is the bottom one taken from Reno Hill?
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Post by WY Man on Jul 12, 2009 9:30:21 GMT -6
Kathleen - Thanks for your compliments, and for your identification of my "weed." I thought it was a member of the thistle family. Now, do you know what kind of fly that is?
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jul 12, 2009 16:07:05 GMT -6
It was at the pull out for the Calhoun Hill stop. My son and I were the last to leave and the ranger was locking the gates behind us.
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Post by Montana Bab on Jul 12, 2009 22:47:55 GMT -6
Kathleen - Thanks for your compliments, and for your identification of my "weed." I thought it was a member of the thistle family. Now, do you know what kind of fly that is? Scott, No, I don't think I've had the displeasure of meeting that little green fellow, but it's sure a great shot!
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Post by WY Man on Jul 13, 2009 23:46:09 GMT -6
My guess (stress on guess) is that it is some form of biting horse fly, and that after getting his sugar rush on that pretty weed flower, he will set out to begin his daily biting business.
G'night all, it's been a long day for me.
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Post by WY Man on Dec 11, 2009 0:46:21 GMT -6
Memorial Day Weekend, 2009 This is where I was earlier this afternoon... Notice White Swan's marker in the foreground. Wonderful pictures, thank you. I've particularly enjoyed the one above - I don't know why, some books report an urban (shall we say "battlefield") legend stating that White Swan's grave was unmarked or even that his burial site was unknown... Thanks again, J. Thank you Jinlian. I have just found some papers about White Swan that would explain why early reports stated that White Swan was buried in an unmarked grave, albeit the gravestone that is there today. It was because he WAS buried in an unmarked grave. Until 1911 anyway. An order dated February, 10, 1911 from H. Hazelton to Billings Marble and Granite Works, for "one tombstone for White Swan, deceased, $50.00," and signed, "Received Payment." An attached letter goes on to say, "Dear Major Scott, The Billings Marble & G. Works are today shipping to you a tombstone for White Swan's Grave. Frank Shively collected $49.75 from the Indians & Whites for this purpose. The freight is prepaid."
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Post by jinlian on Dec 12, 2009 3:53:32 GMT -6
Thank you, WY Man, this is great info, I'll re-post it in the White Swan thread on the American-Tribes board, if you don't mind. Frank Shively (Braided Scalp-lock) was a Carlisle graduate and acted as interpreter for many Crow delegations, I wonder if he acted on behalf of the agency administration or for the Crow community (as far as I know, White Swan's only living relatives were Curley and his family).
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Post by WY Man on Dec 12, 2009 22:10:36 GMT -6
Jinlian, you're welcome to post the White Swan information on the American-Tribes board, but could you do so with a link to my White Swan post above, the one with the photo of the White Swan grave marker? Thanks.
One additional bit of information that I found on White Swan is in a letter from Robert Yellowtail to author E.A. Brininstool, dated February 25, 1936. In the letter, Yellowtail refers to a hearing made upon the death of White Swan, in answer to a request by Brininstool for information regarding the death of White Swan. It reads in part,
"The evidence adduced at the hearing shows that the allottee (White Swan) died August 12, 1904, at the age of 53 years, unmarried, and without lineal descendants, and leaving surviving as his sole heir at law his sister, Sage Woman."
Also in the papers are a copy of a certificate from the Department of the Interior, granting White Swan a pension of $17.00 a month, beginning January 19, 1897.
But, the most exciting find was an account of the Little Bighorn supposedly given by White Swan. In this account White Swan details how he was shot in the valley battle, and how he feigned death by crawling between two dead horses in the timber. In doing so he escaped detection by the Cheyenne and Sioux warriors who were racing past him, to get into the action developing in the north with Custer's troops. He could hear the volleys and gunfire from that direction, and said he wondered about Custer. When it was dark he ventured from his place of concealment, and crept to the river, where he lapped water onto his wounds for a long time. He tried to find his way back to the horses, but he couldn't find them in the brush and darkness, so he found a fallen cottonwood tree where he hid. There are other interesting details in his account, but I'm not going to tell all of it here. There are some questions about the account that will take research to answer. If it is truly White Swan's account, and it appears to be, he must have given it prior to his death in 1904. The person whose name is written at the top of the report was a resident at Crow Agency in the 1930s, and as such, may have been told the account by a relative of White Swan's. The report, which contains other information relating to the Crow Scouts, was written for a WPA project in 1934.
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Post by jinlian on Dec 13, 2009 3:06:57 GMT -6
Thanks, WyMan - that sounds really interesting and indeed it would be worthy a full comparison with the Arikara accounts of the Reno fight. I didn't know about this other account of the LBH by White Swan - in addition to his pictographs, it seems that the only occasion in which he related his history in public was at Omaha, during the 1898 Trans-Mississippi. People like J. Sharp, E.Seton and E. Burbank tried indeed to interview White Swan about the battle, but their lack of fluency in sign-language probably prevented them to get a detailed report. I've posted the link to your previous post (the one with the grave marker photograph) on the American-Tribes, it's in the White Swan thread (p.3 , at the bottom). Here's the link to the thread, it would be great to have you post there this other piece of information : amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=crow&action=display&thread=480&page=4Thanks!
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Post by WY Man on Dec 15, 2009 23:19:08 GMT -6
Hi Jinlian. Where is White Swan's 1898 account of LBH? Was it in a newspaper account originally? Has it been published anytime recently? Probably in one of Hardorf's books, but I didn't find it in Indian Sources.
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Post by jinlian on Dec 18, 2009 0:39:32 GMT -6
Hi WY Man, I sent you an e-mail on that. Best, Jin
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