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Post by wild on Jan 9, 2009 10:43:41 GMT -6
Is there a similarity between Israel's attack on Gaza and Custer's attack on the Indian village at the Washita?
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Post by Dark Cloud on Jan 9, 2009 11:22:58 GMT -6
No.
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Post by biggordie on Jan 9, 2009 15:03:31 GMT -6
Yes - to the extent that each side is armed, one is better-armed than the other, and the fighting force of one is composed of non-uniformed "civilians."
Gordie
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Post by wild on Jan 9, 2009 16:37:14 GMT -6
Of course my question was not specifically seeking information on the issue but rather an offer to debate a crisis and human tragedy.
So allow me to suggest some similarities
Causi Belli
Gaza: Land Grab
Washita: Land Grab
Attackers Goals
Gaza : Keep the natives quite on the reservation.
Washita: To drive the natives onto the reservation.
Method
Gaza: Massacre
Washita: Massacre
Force comparison
Gaza: Overwhelming force used by attackers
Washita: Overwhelming force used by attackers
Worth noting that the state envolved at the Washita is the same state supplying armaments to the attackers of Gaza.
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Post by markland on Jan 9, 2009 19:59:46 GMT -6
Wild, quit being a troll.
If you want political discussion, I am sure there are people at history.com who would be more than glad to reciprocate.
Billy
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Post by wild on Jan 10, 2009 12:15:33 GMT -6
Here you can discuss anything you like without being chastised Don't blame me Billy but the above is what it says on can.
Was the humiliation suffered at the LBH so traumatic that it influences American foreign policy even today.For example for the 7th cavalry read IDF and for Arabs read Sioux for big village read Gaza and of course LSH is brave little Israel but this time Uncle Sam will answer the message "come quick big village bring pacs".200 Abombs,500 lb block busters, brigades of main battle tanks f16 fighters and cluster bombs should even things up a bit.
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Post by markland on Jan 10, 2009 17:33:36 GMT -6
Here you can discuss anything you like without being chastised Don't blame me Billy but the above is what it says on can. Was the humiliation suffered at the LBH so traumatic that it influences American foreign policy even today.For example for the 7th cavalry read IDF and for Arabs read Sioux for big village read Gaza and of course LSH is brave little Israel but this time Uncle Sam will answer the message "come quick big village bring pacs".200 Abombs,500 lb block busters, brigades of main battle tanks f16 fighters and cluster bombs should even things up a bit. Wild, I no more blame you than I blame a yappy little dog for barking. It's their nature as yours is to be a troll. Best of wishes, Billy |
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Post by wild on Jan 10, 2009 18:13:13 GMT -6
Best wishes Billy
My motivation is not develment rather bewilderment that a nation who gave us such hero icons as John Wayne tolerate their tax dollars going to supply armaments for butchery.
I do notice however that when I pose such questions you are the one shouting I don't want to hear I don't want to hearwhich to me indicates a man with a conscience.
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Post by wild on Jan 11, 2009 10:58:38 GMT -6
Perhaps the main difference between the Washita and Gaza is the fact that the 7th actually charged into the village.This is not the case in Gaza where the airforce conducted a bombardment in preparation for an armoured assault.Reason being that Israel did not want to risk the lives of it's troops.It was a choice between slaughtering civilians or taking casualties.Of course with a choice like that the women and children never stood a chance.
The big lie is Israel's claim not to be targeting civilians.This is not strictly true as it's purpose is to punish the people of Gaza for electing Hamas .The entire Hamas infrastructure and apparatus is fair game for Israel's bombs.This includes Hamas universities,schools,admin facilities and Hamas civilians.
The latest news is that the Israeli nuts wanted to attack Iran.They wanted Uncle Sam to supply the bunker busters refueling facilities and permission to overfly Iraq.So let's give George some credit for refusing he might just have saved the world from WW3.
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Post by yankee on Jan 12, 2009 8:47:40 GMT -6
Wild,
Why is there never any outcry when Hamas lobbs rockets into Israel? Why is there never any outcry when Russia sells them rockets? Is Israel supposed to do nothing? What would your country do if attacked? What would you do? I do get tired of the critics of the United States.
And no, this has nothing to do with LBH.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jan 12, 2009 10:24:49 GMT -6
Ditto.
wild, we all know you detest the USA and most of its people. I've never understood why you bother to study any of its history.
If you don't understand our support of Israel, you are beyond help.
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Post by wild on Jan 12, 2009 11:56:48 GMT -6
Hi Yankee
You no doubt heard of the USS Liberty and the murder of 34 American sailors?
I just offer that as an example of the ruthlessness of Israel.You see in 1956 when Israel in cahoots with the imperial powers of Britian and France attacked Egypt Ike would have none of it and put an end to the assault.In 1967 when Israel was moblizing to attack the arabs once again they feared US interferance and thus took out the survalance ship USS Liberty.
The cease fire between Hamas and Israel was broken by Israel when it launched a commando raid into Gaza and killed what it described as 5 militants.During the cease fire Israel did not lift its blockade of Gaza reducing the strip of land to the biggest open prison in the world with a million and a half inmates living in despair and squalor.Why?Because if it punishes the ordinary palastinian people it hopes the people will elect a more docile government.The blockade having failed to achieve this and using the excuse of the rocket firing it has turned it's army loose on the defenceless residents of Gaza.
But your question "Why is there never any outcry when Hamas lobbs rockets into Israel?
Because the deaths of 100 Iraqis hardly merits a line on the back pages of Western journals.Because outcrys are reserved for massacres not useless rocketsThat's not to make little of the 6 Israeli deaths but 900 deaths? And babies left starving beside the decaying bodies of their mothers?By all means lets condemn the rockets but lets save our outcrys for the new Holocaust.
Diane
[i]wild, we all know you detest the USA and most of its people. I've never understood why you bother to study any of its history.
[/i][/b]I detest the nazis but have read a good deal about them.But no I do not detest Americans just bewildered at their apparent indifference and acceptance of their nations militeristic system of conducting itself in other people's back yard.Your tax dollars are going to pay for the phosperious shells which Uncle Sam's pit bull is using to burn civilians in Gaza.Maybe that is emotive language even as Billy would claim trolling but it might just get someone to come forward and explain the mindset in the States.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jan 13, 2009 22:56:34 GMT -6
I think you're smart enough to figure out why we defend Israel.
Americans are strange; we love freedom and respect the right of others to seek it. Once they have it, we help them keep it. Really strange, isn't it, wild?
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Post by wild on Jan 14, 2009 3:04:18 GMT -6
Hi Diane, Bravo for coming forward to defend your nation's stance on freedom. There are some very articulate and brilliant writers on this board but they seem to have taken the 5th. Did you know that Britian offered the Zionests Cyprus and Kenya as possible areas for their Jewish state?So it is possible that this conflict might be taking place in either of these two countries rather than Palastine. Israel was set up to provide a homeland for the Jews of Europe.The price of this new state was paid for by the Palastinians who were forced off their lands. Israel was armed to the teeth by the US to ensure it's existance/freedom.However Israel used this military might to launch "preemptive" wars on it's neighbours.Israel because of its support from the US never had to negotiate or compromise with it's Arab neighbours it simply used it's iron fist. It's not my intention to write a history of the last 60 years of the conflict just to highlight out some salient points. Gaza has been blockaded by land sea and air because Hamas was elected to govern.Isreal hoped the resulting hardship would bring the Palastinians to their senses and they would elect a more "moderate "party to govern or at least Gaza would stagnate into irrelevance .The US used the same tactic with Nicaragua when it mined the harbours in order to starve the people into overthrowing the government. But instead it triggered the rockets and Israel turned to what it does best the iron fist.
A further similarity with the conquest of the plains --one term still in use "Settlers"to describe Israelis moving in on Palastinian lands and instead of Hostiles terrorist is used to describe those resisting. |
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Post by clansman on Jan 14, 2009 3:46:45 GMT -6
Without being drawn into this argument or taking sides but was Hamas democratically elected in Gaza?
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