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Post by chadron21 on Sept 15, 2008 18:23:16 GMT -6
Four more years of Republicans and we'll all be homeless.
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Post by Mike Powell on Sept 16, 2008 5:38:53 GMT -6
Homelessness, the green lifestyle.
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 16, 2008 8:50:16 GMT -6
It is difficult to argue with a statement so compelling in its depth of insight and perception. So I won’t.
I might simply add - purely for consideration - that a certain Republican has more houses than he can quickly count. Or so I’m told.
Meanwhile the last Democrat to serve in the White House never lived in a home not supplied at the taxpayers’ expense, and when leaving office, could not qualify for a home loan of his own - even in the ‘wildly reckless’ home mortgage lending market place of the time. Soooo, if one is worried about homelessness, then it would seem a simple thing to decide whose example to follow.
The only relevance to Custer might be that he never owned a home of his own either, and he was a Democrat too. Beyond that, there are no doubt many here that would just LOVE to discuss/argue/fight about it - but on some other board where those things are the main concern.
BS
I’m BrokenSword and I approve this message.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Sept 16, 2008 9:17:23 GMT -6
It has to do with Custer with the way airy falsehoods and smears are imparted. First, "taxpayers' expense" is misleading: the taxpayers owed that as part of the package for employment. They offered it, it wasn't taken against their wishes. Even then, the 'never' is not true, since Clinton lost the Arkansas governer's office and did not live on the street, but in a house with his family. And, of course, until elected to a level where housing was supplied and owed, he had been on his own from childhood on. McCain, on the other hand, as the son of a four star admiral who was also the son of a four star admiral, was raised in the highly socialized military caste, where housing, food, servants, and healthcare were all provided - and utilized - for his family. Also and absolutely owed, but he grew up in a security unknown to most families. Since then, he's married rich twice. He has no clue what it's like to start at the bottom and work up as the quite poor Clintons and Obamas did. None. Given educational opportunity, Clinton grabbed it and learned. McCain graduated fifth from the keel in a class of 400 at a Naval Academy that had no scholastic reason to admit him at all. By his own description he was rake and drunk. So far, comparable to Custer, but unlike Custer he wasn't a good enough pilot to get prime commands, in this case a fighter jet. He was second level, ground attack. Aside from being shot down, he lost four other planes, three at our expense, in his career. One, was a prototype he took up and crashed after his release. His war injuries didn't prevent that , but somehow they prevent his learning to use the computer. So. Another similarity to Custer. Lies. www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-klein/mccains-secret-questionab_b_107409.htmlpoliticsplusstuff.blogspot.com/2008/08/who-is-john-mccain-this-from-fellow-pow.html
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Post by Mike Powell on Sept 16, 2008 10:36:33 GMT -6
You mean the motors quit running and he just let our planes fall out of the sky, the blackguard. I lost my canteen and had to pay for it.
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Post by biggordie on Sept 16, 2008 10:51:19 GMT -6
As the guy who wrote Hair wrote [when he was writing the writing]: "Join the Holy Orgy Kama Sutra Party, everyone!!"
Not exactly sure that he was indulging in politics with that particular lyric - he might simply be inviting all to expand their party horizons - but it would be a compelling name for a political party.
This message has been posted by The Friends of Holy Orgy Kama Sutra - let's all join hands, and other body parts, inhale deeply and hum Ommmmmm.
Use the power - register and vote.
Gordie
PS Can somebody see that some of the billions from the FMs bailout fall out of somebody's pocket and drift on the wind my way? Thanks.
PPS Are there any banks which are going to be immune to this mortgages for everyone for any amount "business?"
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 16, 2008 13:03:16 GMT -6
Somehow…I just KNEW it wouldn’t stop with my gentle and humorous nudging, and that it would be you (DC. The grrrrreat One) that would step forward and toss the first twig upon the fire.
“It has to do with Custer with the way airy falsehoods and smears are imparted.”
Nonsense. Airily stated, but nonsense never-the-less. Referencing the Huffington Post belies a fever-dream of spin beyond the measurable scale or limits of acceptably, even granted that a bean or two can be extracted from the overwhelming volume of excrement there. But, that’s just my opinion.
“First, "taxpayers' expense" is misleading: the taxpayers owed that as part of the package for employment. They offered it, it wasn't taken against their wishes. Even then, the 'never' is not true, since Clinton lost the Arkansas governer's office and did not live on the street, but in a house with his family. And, of course, until elected to a level where housing was supplied and owed, he had been on his own from childhood on.
McCain, on the other hand, as the son of a four star admiral who was also the son of a four star admiral, was raised in the highly socialized military caste, where housing, food, servants, and healthcare were all provided - and utilized - for his family. Also and absolutely owed, but he grew up in a security unknown to most families. Since then, he's married rich twice. He has no clue what it's like to start at the bottom and work up as the quite poor Clintons and Obamas did. None.
Given educational opportunity, Clinton grabbed it and learned. McCain graduated fifth from the keel in a class of 400 at a Naval Academy that had no scholastic reason to admit him at all.”
Oh, puleeze!! Would YOU lend Clinton any money, or accept his checks? The ’poor’ Obama of the exclusive school in Hawaii which lead to The Harvard School of Law? The Rhodes scholar who could not find his way to class? ‘Grabbed’ what exactly? (No pun intended) Your spin aside, the Hanoi Hilton is, (I guess/suppose) in some minds, a rather secure, privileged and leisurely spent youthful existence. How decadent! How privileged. What sloth!!
“By his own description he was rake and drunk.” Does that mean he admits that he DID inhale, or to the use of cocaine? Well, Obama was man enough to admit that at least. Yeah, I read his book (only one of the two so far) I’ll give him credit for his honesty on the subject. MaCain probably did all that when he was a Democrat anyway. Whatever.
“So far, comparable to Custer, but unlike Custer he wasn't a good enough pilot to get prime commands, in this case a fighter jet. He was second level, ground attack. Aside from being shot down, he lost four other planes, three at our expense, in his career. One, was a prototype he took up and crashed after his release.”
Well gee, excuse the Hell out of him for being there and trying, and for not being one to ‘loathe the military’ or so over eager as to register for the draft in Honolulu when there was in fact, no draft to register for. How many did Chuck Yeager lose? Maybe he wasn’t ‘good enough’ to leave the bulk of his command, dead on the field, however his cell-mate didn’t find him ‘second level’ in the least. I admit though, his Commander-In-Chief qualities weren’t tested in Somalia. Which level was Obama? Frankly and seriously, DC, I’ve never believed that previous military experience qualified or disqualified anyone for, or from, the job of Commander-In-Chief. Need I name names? It’s not been a front burner concern of mine.
The so called ‘chicken-hawk’ argument and misnomer is, therefore, irrelevant to me. Clinton’s education and experience gave me hope to expect much from his administration. The sad fact is that a stint in the military (in Vietnam or not) would have matured him some, and prepared him better for the job he was granted, but in the end proved too immature and ultimately undisciplined to do. Dan Quayle had, perhaps, the same immaturity about him as well. Now that, I DID find worrisome, as I find Obama’s only real credentials of experience being a Chicago Machine go-along get-along to be as well. Some of the worst presidents (in my opinion) have had military experience literally dripping from their ears, while some of the better ones have had none, or only scant to add to the resume.
“His war injuries didn't prevent that , but somehow they prevent his learning to use the computer. So. Another similarity to Custer. Lies.”
Speaking only from experience (and I know ‘experience’ is a touchy word among the Obama and Palin supporters), I can say that ‘war injuries’ can become more severe with time. The effects become pronounced. Crippling. What could be done yesterday is suddenly impossible, or too painful to do today.
The business about ‘understanding’ or ‘using a computer’ is nonsense. Lame. Perhaps criticism born of a growing desperation? Use the computer for what, exactly? Reading the Huffington Post? I do and would advise that time be better spent elsewhere. Clinton sent something like two emails during his eight years in office, and this while a Vice-President who ‘invented’ the internet was near at hand - or so I’m told. I would rather there was a President that wasn’t surfing the World Wide Web and reading crap like this (apologies, Diane) at 3AM, and who was also matured enough to answer the phone call, as well as, be prepared to respond with more than rhetoric amounting to, “Gee, let‘s see what the UN thinks.’ Lies? No. I’m not convinced in the least. Amused, tickled even, but not convinced.
Beyond all that, I lost my reason to be overly concerned about the future of this country more than three years ago. I’ve anted up my share, so to speak, but - by all means - have the last word, which you are want to claim. Your opinions and mine are merely arrived at by two different perspectives. Two, apparently, different sets of experiences in life to now. Neither is totally invalid nor valid. Well, I suppose you think mine are, but so what? Our basic view of people and what to expect of them, and how to extract it from them, is rather different as well. Polar, I suspect - and to be exact. Sooooo, knock yourself out ole buddy. Doesn’t matter to me.
BS Oh, please excuse the cumbersome nature of my response but I really don’t know that much about computers either. Still, I imagine my meaning has come through anyway. Magically perhaps. Just as good.
M
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 16, 2008 13:06:55 GMT -6
Gordie - "...Can somebody see that some of the billions from the FMs bailout fall out of somebody's pocket and drift on the wind my way? Thanks...."
If I hear of such, be assured - you will be the second to know and take advantage.
B(illionaire) S(ome day)
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 16, 2008 15:05:14 GMT -6
Gordie - "...the guy who wrote Hair..."
Wait a minute. You mean there was an actual script that they were following?
Wow. Far out man.
BS
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Post by biggordie on Sept 16, 2008 16:55:03 GMT -6
Yeah, there was a script , and I think the writer was a Canadian I might be wrong on that score - no pun intended. Grant or Galt McDermott, I believe. The Toronto production was produced, when it was being produced, by a high school acquaintance of mine, so, of course, I got roped into playing every now and then in the "orchestra."
"Ripped open by metal explosions......................................Three Five Zero Zero!!"
If you have an original cast recording of the Broadway original cast, when they were original, you might envision Diane Keaton prancing around the stage naked. I did. Envision, that is.
"If you see him [Frank Mills] tell him me and my girlfriend don't want the two dollars - just him."
The music and lyrics are amazing on several levels. Well worth a revisit. They hold up well, in my opinion, and I'll bet that Son of Ugly would agree.
Gordie Triple Aquarius [Sun, Moon and Rising] - it explains everything.................................
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Post by Diane Merkel on Sept 16, 2008 21:59:52 GMT -6
I love you, Michael.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Sept 17, 2008 7:41:31 GMT -6
First, learn to spell McCain. Second, to keep this relevant, bone up on his grandfather, who was once considered the villain of Savo Island during a time admirals and generals were penalized for such, but he was not. The people who like to blame soldiers and sailors at the drop of a hat are remarkably silent (now) about him. There is a guy who WAS haunted by a mistake he undoubtedly made which killed lots of sailors and lost valuable ships, something akin to that which Benteen is supposed to have suffered, but probably did not. We've talked about this stuff here. He spent his remaining three years compensating, and it killed him, sure enough.
You apparently didn't read either url I posted, just saw Huffington Post, although I believe it was also posted elsewhere. It was all legit, which you admit by being unable to address a single issue raised and supported by other military men against McCain's stories. He was not, for example, going to be an admiral. Ever.
The second was the now famous essay by a guy who served with McCain as a POW, and was there longer. McCain has made his service and POW status an issue, but neither are remotely relevant to being President.
The "business" about computers is bogus, and there is no known injury to him to prevent his knowledge or use of a computer, itself just symbolic of his age and inability to adapt. He's just old and never learned. People with and without war injuries get limited in their physical abilities at 72. It's called Age. But now, we're encouraged to believe everything is due to his war injuries, because gods don't age, but can suffer. This sounds familiar. Just like CW soldiers died in their 90's of their wounds. We talked about that, too.
McCain has outlived both father and grandfather. A President Palin, if they win, is not a remote chance.
McCain wasn't "trying," so much as violating what medical people had told him was a danger in his condition, both to himself and anyone beneath him on the ground, and fully of a piece with his previous flying into and snapping of cable car cables, fortunately not killing anyone as other flight jocks would a few years back.
Since President Carter, the draft has required registration even if it was not in progress, so there is no conflict. Obama earned scholarships to prep schools and universities by competition. And by any standard applicable to Americans, he grew up poor, far poorer than McCain, who was never without a sports car.
Duke Cunningham, a far better pilot, is now in prison for his idiotic crimes of entitlement. If we torture him for comparable time, would anyone consider him fit to hold a burnt match?
Most musicals, including Hair, stink. There are some good songs, still with us. But the hippy lifestyle is gone and irrelevant today, mostly because of the volunteer Army and lack of a plausible draft. Might be back soon enough.
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Post by crzhrs on Sept 17, 2008 9:10:09 GMT -6
I believe Stephen Hawking can use a computer . . . and he's paralyzed!
I was in the military and it made me see what the military is all about . . . one can take that any way one likes.
Can't see this country going through 4 more years of the last eight and with a VP selection who's only foreign experience is being a neighbor of Russia!
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 17, 2008 11:19:07 GMT -6
How is it you computer wizards put it? Oh, yeah! "ROFLMAO"
“…Stephen Hawking can use a computer…”
THIS is an ‘issue’? THIS defines the candidates? Can Obama find his way around the cockpit of even an obsolete fighter/bomber? Could Clinton? One wants to be - and the other was - Commander-In-Chief, after-all. Can either field strip and reassemble an M-16, or a moose gun (if there is such a thing)? Can Hawking? Do any of them really NEED to?
A Maverick who might go in God only knows what direction, or a Socialist who will go straight in the direction of the ‘failed economic policies’ (yawn) of the far past. Hummm. Which do I choose? Arguably the worst two candidates to select from that I’ve ever seen. I’ll take lipstick for $100, Alex.
“…with a VP selection who's only foreign experience is being a neighbor of Russia!…”
Maybe the sniper fire has been too heavy lately for her to get closer? Where’s Biden, anyway? Awake yet? Never mind, let him sleep. He might say something dumb, again.
Just pass the Kool Aid. Either color. Lovely Socialist Pink, or the Exciting Hot-Temper Purple.
BS
Tune in next time when we will hear BS say, “Beam me OUTTA here, Scotty!”
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Post by crzhrs on Sept 17, 2008 11:41:14 GMT -6
Since everyone thought the world would end in 2000 because of someone failing to think about how to set a computer's clock to another century . . . I think computers are an issue.
I believe they control our nuclear weapons, also.
PS: John McCain apparently invented the Blackberry . . . so his advisors apparently think THATS a big deal.
Obviously all the stuff that needs to be talked about during campaigns are by-passed for trash talking about an opponent . . . unfortunately that's how Bush got elected twice . . . and the first time was when he trash-talked McCain during the 2000 primaries.
I guess McC has learned a lesson on how to run a campaign. If you can't tell the truth . . . lie.
I use to know how to take apart an M16 and I use to hunt and knew how to gut a deer (but I never shot one [thankfully] so I never had to use that vital experience. While I've never flown a jet . . . getting shot down is not good and crashing two others doesn't add to a resume.
And one someone says the economy is fundamentally sound in the morning then says it's in a crisis later in the afternoon . . . I gotta think a few screws are loose.
The best people that should be running the country aren't . . . what we have left is people with agendas . . . like small town politics, except big-time politicians' decisions could be deadly to one and all.
But that's just me!
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