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Post by Diane Merkel on Sept 17, 2008 14:47:17 GMT -6
Please don't go anywhere, Broken One. You're the only one who is making sense here. I was tempted to nuke this thread because no one's mind is going to get changed, but -- what the hell -- I'll jump in. Since everyone thought the world would end in 2000 because of someone failing to think about how to set a computer's clock to another century . . . I think computers are an issue. I believe they control our nuclear weapons, also. PS: John McCain apparently invented the Blackberry . . . so his advisors apparently think THATS a big deal. Crazy, your first two points are a HUGE stretch. - I don't recall anyone saying Clinton was computer proficient, and all the looney stuff about 2000 happened during his term. Since libs want to blame Bush for everything bad during the last eight years, then Clinton gets the blame for the looney-tunes.
- Surely you don't think someone sitting at a laptop has total control over our nuclear arsenol, so what has that got to do with whether or not someone uses email?
- McCain did not claim he invented the Blackberry. He is no Gore, thank God. (Are we still allowed to mention God on the Internet? It does use public communications. . . .) One of his people was giving an example of things the Commerce Committee oversaw while McCain was chair. His campaign staff immediately said it was a stupid thing to say.
Overall, if you and DC don't understand how arthritis cripples injured joints and break-points over time, then you must be blessed in your old age. When McCain was first released, he was able to salute. Now he can't raise his arms over shoulder-height. I don't believe that is appropriate fodder for ridicule. So he doesn't want to use a computer -- big deal! I'm sure his POW years gave him a different perspective of how precious time is, and he probably doesn't want to waste it as (admit it!) so many of us do. Besides, he has staff to write for him. I rather doubt he will be communicating with world leaders via email! No, Bush was elected twice because Gore and Kerry only appealed to the multitudes in three areas of the country. Google the maps. Cite one by McCain himself. I've known some very bright men who washed out of flight school at Pensacola NAS. It is not for the wet noodles of the world. Have you ever seen a jet land on an aircraft carrier? I have. The Forrestal, in fact, a couple of years before the fire there. Such flying requires split-second responses and leather balls. McCain did not cause that fire, and he is lucky to have survived it. Many men did not. Being shot down is also inappropriate for ridicule, especially when there are others whose remains have never been returned. If you would read his entire remarks, you would realize the "fundamentally sound" referred to the backbone of this country, the workforce and entrepreneural spirit. You know, the small business owner who breaks his back to grow plants and make a living. Agendas such as socialism versus capitalism. I'm with capitalism. Yes it is. I adore you, Crazy, but we will never agree on politics.
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 17, 2008 15:47:59 GMT -6
I'm not going anywhere Goddess. I didn't mean it to sound like that. Not trying to sell anybody on a particular candidate either. This stuff doesn't make me angry and hope I don't come off that way.
I'm an equal opportunity wart spotter, is all - unmarried to any Party. 'Fair and Balanced', as some like to say. Or I try to be - sometimes.
We'll discuss Jesus after this. No, no no - only kidding.
Michael
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Post by Dark Cloud on Sept 17, 2008 16:14:44 GMT -6
It has little to do with independent politics; I'm trying to draw attention to issues in this election that relate to the LBH considerations. Which you miss.
Nobody is making fun of McCain's war wounds, and my point here is that this is comparable - different in degree - to the Keogh fluffing. McCain, having in my opinion endured thus and so, would never....could never....won't....which is simple idol worship, and all evidence that doesn't fit the preconception is nuked. Nobody here or anywhere is claiming the ability to send an email is key, but it is indicative of an old man unwilling to learn. There's no reason he cannot use a computer. It's his choice, not a wound residue. I've heard the salute story too, yet he sure waves above the shoulder a lot. I'll bet it hurts, though, but if he can move his hand and push a button, it's easy.
By the standards of 99.9% of the world's pilots, McCain is an excellent pilot for certain craft. By the standards of naval aviation in this country he was mediocre. Duke Cunningham was a star.
I fully understand and appreciate how difficult it is to be a carrier pilot without remotely being one: I get seasick, and landing on a lurching deck - at night - is right up there on my anxiety list. And, I had a father-in-law who taught fighter pilots in WWII. He told me the story - among many, harrowing when not horrifying stories, like everyone he was in flight school with was dead by plane - about what I recall as the Christman Safety device (or something like). It consisted of a rope held by the pilot with a noose around the neck of the deck chief who made the decision the catapult had enough steam. Apparently the Corsairs and Hellcats weighed more than the Wildcats and needed more oomph but some carrier deck crews had not made the connection and planes never made altitude and crashed when launched too soon. When the chief and pilot both agreed there was enough thrust, the pilot dropped his end. It was not a given he'd be rescued in war zones if he had to ditch.
I know that sounds like an urban legend, but he was insistent it was true, because they'd lost so many young pilots on the new Essex carriers during launch. If not true, I was fooled.
And when I was learning about McCain's grandad years ago I learned about Spruance and his decision to light the fleet once so his pilots could land at night. Big risk, saved a lot of men and valuable machines, but he knew how tough it was in the best conditions. I learned Chevy Chase's grandfather was one of the hero's of Midway, and that his boss Halsey always screwed up when Grandad Miles Browning moved off his staff. Browning, like some others in the Navy and Army, slept with the wives of fellow officers and even of superior officers. This tended to cramp his career, but Browning was the one who figured out the launch needs of Japan's carriers, timed it out, and because of it we sank four irreplaceable carriers and cleaned their clock.
McCain lied on The View, telling his hostesses that Palin's claim she cancelled The Bridge to Nowhere and didn't take earmarks was not a lie. He knew, and everyone knows irrefutably, that it was, because she had no authority to cancel the bridge she's on record as for and Alaska cashed all the earmark checks.
And today's reversal about his theories on government regulation of banking and finance is cute, when he's on record often enough against regulation, as his financial advisor Phil Graham, then a Senator, led that fight. Expedience. He's lied about being married still when he took up with his current trophy wife, and as those urls I provided show, his story on some issues has changed.
You're either a politician, or you're not. He is. So is Obama, and they're both elite and rich. But McCain was set for a career in the Navy when he was born, and his performance was that of an entitled kid whom nobody was going to slam with his family's ranks and legends. Unlike MacArthur, or Obama, McCain has never felt the need to excel, and never has.
Lots of people SAY they're for capitalism without realizing how socialized many sectors of the economy are: agriculture, for one. Gas prices for another. And the military is the personification of socialism. And there are many sectors where corporations - like, oh, major banks - are not allowed to go broke but are allowed to pretend to independent, hairy chested, capitalism. And look where they, in cooperation with social climbing liars in the public, have left us.
If FDR's horrible socialism hadn't been put in place, most retired military men would be on the street today without recourse because they'd have lost their pensions, itself socialism, via the banks going broke, which conservatives want, since they're trying to privatize it - give it to the good folks at Lehman Brothers - without discussing (admitting, rather) how Social Security came about in the first place. This is a good example about how myth leads us wrong.
Our economy is both capitalism and socialism, and where it goes wrong is when we have to pretend it's all capitalism. It's not so. They each have a role that changes amid circumstances. We're in debt to Communist China and various Muslim fascist states now, and it ain't getting better quick.
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 17, 2008 17:23:05 GMT -6
1. “…Since everyone thought the world would end in 2000 because of someone failing to think about how to set a computer's clock to another century . . . I think computers are an issue…”
Not exactly ‘everyone,’ but that whole escaped is an entirely different matter. I found it funny at the time.
2. “…I believe they control our nuclear weapons, also….”
No. People do. People who tell the computers what to do who are, in turn, told what to tell the computers to do by those that make the decisions.
3. “…PS: John McCain apparently invented the Blackberry . . . so his advisors apparently think THATS a big deal…”
Amazing what politicians (or their staffs) will say sometimes. Gore invented the Internet, Hillary ran through sniper fire, Obama slept through church for twenty years - and on, and on and on. William Randolph Hurst said, “A politician will do anything to get elected, even become a patriot.”
4. “…Obviously all the stuff that needs to be talked about during campaigns are by-passed for trash talking about an opponent . . . unfortunately that's how Bush got elected twice . . . and the first time was when he trash-talked McCain during the 2000 primaries.”
By-passing the real issues is what candidates do the best. Voters holding them to the real issues is what they do the worst. Jerry Springer’s TV show was widely condemned by the ‘public’ at large, but enjoyed high viewer ratings. Dirt works, sadly. Denigrating the opponent’s character (justifiably or not) is a cheap trick to make one’s own appear larger. BOTH in every election will do it, every time. Make no mistake about that.
5. “…I guess McC has learned a lesson on how to run a campaign. If you can't tell the truth . . . Lie…”
Don’t get comfortable thinking that McCain is in some exclusive club on that score.
6. “…I use to know how to take apart an M16 and I use to hunt and knew how to gut a deer (but I never shot one [thankfully] so I never had to use that vital experience. While I've never flown a jet . . . getting shot down is not good and crashing two others doesn't add to a resume….”
My whole point was that little of it matters. A President Obama will not have to fly AF-1. He will have the best pilot and crew that the military can supply for that job. A President McCain will not have to Google anything, and neither will Obama. The people they choose to surround themselves with will be responsible for that. Toyota’s CEO probably can’t manipulate the tools used on the assembly line, just as their chief engineer/designer probably couldn’t make sound company decisions regarding money. Each brings talents that result in a pretty good product though. Look closely at who they hire and surround themselves with, and whom they go to for advice.
Make no mistake about it. This country is at war, and not a war of G. W. Bush’s making either. It is at war with those that are intent on taking our freedoms (ALL of them), our businesses, looting the treasury, killing us and wives and even children if we don‘t like it. Doesn’t matter to them, and they’ve done some of it already, and are working very hard at doing it some more. We can fool ourselves about that and laugh the concept away, but all you have to do is think back a few short years to see it.
7. “…And one someone says the economy is fundamentally sound in the morning then says it's in a crisis later in the afternoon . . . I gotta think a few screws are loose….”
ANYONE who wants to be President has have at least one screw loose, in my opinion. There were demagogues aplenty falling all over themselves yesterday to get in front of a camera. The stables literally ran out of high horses to fill the demand. I think there is plenty of blame to go around, despite Ms. Pelosi’s self-righteous finger pointing, McCain’s call for a populist uprising and Obama’s messianic offer to lead us out of the wilderness and into the promised land.
The causes are many, not terribly complicated, and they go well back to the time when few knew who Nancy Pelosi and George W. Bush are and when NO ONE had ever heard of Obama. McCain and Biden have been in the Senate for a combined total of around 40-50 years now is it? Where have they been? The Senate and House have been in Democrat hands for almost two years now. The House held big showy hearings into this area more than a year or so ago. C-SPAN covered some of it. So, why are they all ‘Shocked, SHOCKED!’ by it?
‘Wall Street greed’ they said? Well, DUH! Obviously, none of them even understands what investments are about to begin with, much less can they seriously have a clue at how to ‘fix’ it. Some of them threw the old Great Depression specter in as well. How’s THAT for the so called ‘politics of fear’? Lord help us now, ‘cause they’re on a mission to save us.
8. “…The best people that should be running the country aren't . . . what we have left is people with agendas . . . like small town politics, except big-time politicians' decisions could be deadly to one and all….”
Teddy Roosevelt! Call your office please! Or maybe, Jimmy Stewart?
“…But that's just me!“
…and that’s why we love you, Crz. Now stop hogging the Uzo, and pass the damn bottle around.
M
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Post by crzhrs on Sept 18, 2008 7:59:32 GMT -6
<I adore you, Crazy, but we will never agree on politics.>
<and that’s why we love you, Crz>
I'm starting to choke up . . .
I'm glad we can discuss this and still think "highly" of one another.
Maybe this dicussion should be on some other forum . . . even though it is vital that we pick the right candidate . . . and we all know who that is!
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 18, 2008 8:21:05 GMT -6
crzhrs "...I'm starting to choke up. . ."
Now, don't get the idea that I'm gonna hug you and start singing Kumbiya or that old Coke A Cola song, but yeah you're okay.
M
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Post by BrokenSword on Sept 18, 2008 15:25:10 GMT -6
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Post by crzhrs on Sept 20, 2008 12:44:37 GMT -6
Yes . . . Science can be proven . . . other "stuff" (religion, especially) can not. McCain . . . clinically depressed? That explains everything we need to know about him? And I mean that in a kind way.
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Post by El Crab on Sept 26, 2008 1:10:09 GMT -6
PS: John McCain apparently invented the Blackberry . . . so his advisors apparently think THATS a big deal. This is not quite accurate. When God was forming the earth 10,000 years ago, he accidentally created two of the same berry-bearing bush. McCain suggested he leave one alone and call it the Raspberry, paint the other one darker and call it a Blackberry. True story.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Sept 26, 2008 6:17:01 GMT -6
And while Obama was thinking of what to name one he called the next the mulberry.
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Post by Mike Powell on Sept 26, 2008 9:02:59 GMT -6
Bless you, AZ. That may be the most perfect thing ever written. It would put tears of laughter down the cheeks of Lucky Jack Aubrey.
Yours,
Mike Powell
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Post by clw on Oct 2, 2008 9:32:42 GMT -6
You've got to wonder why anyone smart enough to be president would want to be..... Andy Rooney
Mr Hope, have you ever been approached about running for president?
I have, but the money's never been right. And Delores wouldn't want to move to a smaller house.
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Post by yankeevin on Dec 1, 2008 5:22:46 GMT -6
I work with homeless vets and 8/10 voted for Palin/McCain... Me?! I'm wrote in Ron Pauls name.
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Post by chadron21 on Dec 1, 2008 7:03:13 GMT -6
I work with homeless vets and 8/10 voted for Palin/McCain... Me?! I'm wrote in Ron Pauls name. I think it's interesting that you wrote Palin/McCain instead of McCain/Palin.
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Post by crzhrs on Dec 3, 2008 13:02:37 GMT -6
He musta been lookin' out his window and saw Palin and thought it was Russia . . . I mean McCain!
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