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Post by wild on Jun 5, 2007 5:05:47 GMT -6
b]Hey, wild -- you never answered d o's question about the water in Galway[/b] I did Diane but you were too busy dipping into google to notice.Try and actually debate the issue.Exchanging google dippage is so boing.
Wild, you dear boy. You are in so much pain. We need to introduce you to Dr. Kavorkian (he's available again). He will help you OUT. This is constructive debate?
Even a cursory study of US foreign policy over the last 60 years will highlight contradictions.Just one---why would the leader of the free world undermine democracies and support dictators.The answer in in the title "leader of the free world".This is a misnomer.The title should read the leader of the free enterprise worldApplying this title we see that in fact there is no contradiction in US foreign policy.Any state , philosophy,religion or movement which stands in the way of free enterprise has to answer to the USMC. Even the most benign of movements is seen as a threat.The movement to tackle global warming is seen as a threat to free enterprise.The world court is seen as a threat and the UN with it's communist States is a threat. You raised the issue of the IRA.The IRA altough described as a terrorist organisation could fund raise openly in the US.Its leaders have been invited to meet with US elected representitives and of course the US was instrumental in arranging a peace deal.All this with a terrorist organisation why?Because there was no ideology difference between the IRA and US interests.The IRA are not a revolutionary organisation but a free enerprise nationalist movement.The conflct with Britian was just a falling out among bedfellows. Free enterprise is economic system having its pros and cons ,its strenghts and weaknesses much the same as any business system.The problem occurs when it is backed up by the application of armed might.I think the US constitution recognises the right to life of its citizens.That recognition does not extend to citizens of other states.There is a conflict between free enterprise and the right to life.The US see the right to life as a local right while free enterprise takes priority globally.In other words citizens of others states are religated to the status of collateral humans for the purpose of warfare. To assuage American conscience it is fed liberal doses of jingoism.A patriotic militarism is cultivated and allied with that basic human instinct that blood is thicker than water you have your dogs of war to unleashed anytime anywhere in the cause of Halliburton oh sorry I ment freedom. Regards
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Post by Montana Bab on Jun 5, 2007 13:57:56 GMT -6
"CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE"??
Are you kidding? What is constructive about any of your posts on this thread? If you ask me, they are destructive.
What exactly are you advocating by your rhetorick??
You harangue and spiel and then write "Regards". BULL! You have no regard for any American citizen. Spell out exactly what you stand for and what you want from any of us.
Furthermore, what do your opinions of our USA have to do with LBH???
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Post by wild on Jun 5, 2007 14:23:39 GMT -6
In considering US militarism in support of corporations one finds that they are faced with the inconvience of the "collateral human". The collateral human is any citizen of a state under bombadment by US ordnance.US policy towards the collateral is to issue a statement of sincere regret at the loss of innocent life and to promise a full investigation.Next question please....... Example of collateral.When Baghdad was receiving ordnance US military intelligence had information that SH was dining with some mates at a particular inn.They not wishing to miss a golden oppurtunity of taking out Mr H put 2 500lb block busters into the diner.They vaperised the owner's wife and children.The distraught owner wanted to know if Bushs family had been in the diner would he have done the same. Collateral is now accepted by innocent Americans.Innocent Americans are so understanding of their militaries terrible job that their abiity to sustain collaterial knows no limits.Collateral now stands at 70000 minimum and amazingly has not even dented the resolve of innocent Americans. This debate [still waiting for doh]had the American shield as it's issue.By coincidence Bush wants to enhance this shield by placing missiles in Poland.Now Ivan being without a sense of humor has threatened to point his box of fire crackrs in our direction.Some shield!
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Post by wild on Jun 5, 2007 14:28:58 GMT -6
Furthermore, what do your opinions of our USA have to do with LBH??? I'm only the guest here.I was invited to debate US foreign policy.If you have a problem with the subject matter here take it up with Diane. She set up the thread to discuss general subjects. Best Regards
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Post by jameslouis on Jun 6, 2007 0:40:43 GMT -6
CSS= EASY ON THAT HIPPIE PART!! Now my 2 cents ! Any worthless piece of trash that calls America a Predator Nation should be banned from here . Why is it that everybody hates the USA but can't get here fast enough . Or stick a hand out Quick enough for our $$$ aid. Hell there would be no Europe right now except for The Marshall Plan . Learn to speak Russian and quit spewing your filth on these pages . I feel sorry for anyone who would make a Judgement on America based on the newspaper and television version of it. I know without a doubt that I live in the greatest country the world has ever known. Not in a military sense , a people sense. I thank God I was lucky enough to be born here, a privilage that is often overlooked. If you knew the heart and soul of this country , you would know what an idiot you make youself look like when you post "Predator Nation " manifest on here . My advise to you is to truly learn your subject before putting a post like that up here again. LEFT OR RIGHT WING , it does'nt make a differance, we are all Americans and yes we will come running when your country calls whining for help but your media will probably critisize us for not being fast enough.
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Post by wild on Jun 6, 2007 2:10:33 GMT -6
Any worthless piece of trash that calls America a Predator Nation should be banned from here . I should be banned if what I base my description on is untrue.
Why is it that everybody hates the USA but can't get here fast enough Because the US has one of the most dynamic economies in the world.It is the power house of free enterprise.It offers great opportunities to the individual.Problem is it maintains that position by the use of military might.
Hell there would be no Europe right now except for The Marshall Plan And the sacrifice of a hugh citizen army.There is much the world owes the US but the US does not operate a Mother Teresa economic system it is more akin to a mafia system.
I know without a doubt that I live in the greatest country the world has ever known. Not in a military sense , a people sense. I thank God I was lucky enough to be born here, a privilage that is often overlooked That's very good.I'm sure it comes from the heart.Now if you had lived in Vietnam,Cambodia,Iran under the Shah,Chile under Pinochet ,the central American states under the United Fruit Company need I go on?
If you knew the heart and soul of this country , you would know what an idiot you make youself look like when you post "Predator Nation " manifest on here . The individual American is the salt of the earth but he is insular and think the American way is the only way.He thinks America is the center of the world and the rest of us an irritant that justs require a strong dose of USMC.
My advise to you is to truly learn your subject before putting a post like that up here again. Nothing that has been posted here contradicts my opinions on American foreign policy.
we are all Americans and yes we will come running when your country calls whining for help but your media will probably critisize us for not being fast enough. We don't belong to any military alliance.We stand with the non aligned countries.If military assistance was required it would be sought from the UN.
My thanks for your contribution [if somewhat robust]and best regards.
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Post by markland on Jun 6, 2007 8:29:16 GMT -6
Wild wrote in a response (italicized):
"My advise to you is to truly learn your subject before putting a post like that up here again. Nothing that has been posted here contradicts my opinions on American foreign policy."
I think that a sufficient enough statement of his "opinions" of America. The rest of you can reply to his trollish comments to your heart's desire but, rest assured, he likely is giggling helplessly at the thought of having an opportunity to bash any and all things American, knowing he has an audience.
I wonder if this board has an Ignore feature for unpleasant guests?
Billy
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Post by wild on Jun 6, 2007 10:11:34 GMT -6
Thank you for your response Liam.I would prefare to debate the subject than to exchange niceties.In view of the horrendious loss of life in Iraq, America must review its policy of armed aggression against other states.It is a subject worth debating.Far from trolling I would welcome an honest debate. Best Regards
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Post by markland on Jun 6, 2007 11:49:40 GMT -6
Thank you for your response Liam.I would prefare to debate the subject than to exchange niceties.In view of the horrendious loss of life in Iraq, America must review its policy of armed aggression against other states.It is a subject worth debating.Far from trolling I would welcome an honest debate. Best Regards No you wouldn't. You are simply looking for an audience to read your anti-Ameranglia diatribes. If you were willing to make even a pretense of intellectual honesty, there would be more reasoned and insightful posts from you rather than regurgitating the latest tripe from either the Athol Books web site or The Irish Political Review. For those who may be interested in reading the source material for his anti-United States spewings, this is a good place to start: www.atholbooks.org/index.phpAs a benefit, the writing is much better and while one-sided, it is straight from the horse's....errr, not going to mention which end. Billy
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Post by wild on Jun 6, 2007 12:56:20 GMT -6
You are simply looking for an audience to read your anti-Ameranglia diatribes. I thought the whole idea of a board was to discuss ideas thus an audience would be helpful.And could I again draw attention to the fact that I did not initiate this discussion.If the debate is onesided it is because doh did not bother to show.Perhaps you Liam would like to step into the breech and debate this issue ? I know you are tempted, come on it's America's honor you would be defending. Have a nice day now ya hear.
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Post by markland on Jun 6, 2007 15:34:21 GMT -6
You are simply looking for an audience to read your anti-Ameranglia diatribes.I thought the whole idea of a board was to discuss ideas thus an audience would be helpful.And could I again draw attention to the fact that I did not initiate this discussion.If the debate is onesided it is because doh did not bother to show.Perhaps you Liam would like to step into the breech and debate this issue ? I know you are tempted, come on it's America's honor you would be defending. Have a nice day now ya hear. And exactly why should I dignify your opinion with my time? If America's honor depended upon defending itself from the comments of such as yourself, we really would be in as bad a shape as you pray.
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Post by wild on Jun 6, 2007 16:39:46 GMT -6
And exactly why should I dignify your opinion with my time? Because you have taken the time to describe me more or less as an asshole.And if my opinions are such as to draw that comment from you it would be even easier to show the reasons for such a description. I read that scooter has got himself 3 years in prison.This man was one of the main supporters of the invasion of Iraq.The show trials of Guuantanmo are also in trouble to say nothing of the rendition torture flights.It all happened before in Vietnam Liam.Loyalty to ones country is one thing but when that loyaly is abused by corporations and thousands die it is time to take stock. As always best regards
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Post by wild on Jun 7, 2007 0:58:19 GMT -6
During the Vietnam war a list of the dead GIs killed in action that day was scrolled on tv screens while taps was played.Vietnam is also considered to be the first tv war where instantanious coverage was screened on the home front.This coverage was one of th key elements in undermining the war effort. Precautions were taken that his would never happen again upsetting the home front over breakfast.Problem is the world has shrunk and advances in telecommunications allow for 24/7 coverage from the very trenches your sons and daughters occupy.The world saw the wounded Iraqi being despatched by someone's USMC son. After WW2 the excuse the Germans used was that they had no idea what the nazis were up to.The good people of the US cannot claim ignorance as an excuse.You know what the corporate boys are up to . The silence on this thread speaks volumes. Best Regards
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Post by markland on Jun 7, 2007 1:20:51 GMT -6
And exactly why should I dignify your opinion with my time? Because you have taken the time to describe me more or less as an not a very nice person.And if my opinions are such as to draw that comment from you it would be even easier to show the reasons for such a description. I read that scooter has got himself 3 years in prison.This man was one of the main supporters of the invasion of Iraq.The show trials of Guuantanmo are also in trouble to say nothing of the rendition torture flights.It all happened before in Vietnam Liam.Loyalty to ones country is one thing but when that loyaly is abused by corporations and thousands die it is time to take stock. As always best regards Wild, just so you do not misunderstand. I do not like you. I have never liked you. I will agree with the occasional post that you make which I agree with, largely dealing with LBH or, perhaps, the Indian Wars; but, on the front of my dignifying your bilge with time and effort to factually prove that you and your sources are wrong, forget it. I have better ways to waste my time. Watching paint dry springs immediately to mind. And by the way, the name Liam is, I presume, the Irish equivalent to William. My name is Billy. Enjoy the water, Billy
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Post by wild on Jun 7, 2007 6:18:09 GMT -6
Wild, just so you do not misunderstand. I do not like you.I like you liam.You have contributed enormously to maintaining historical accuracy in our debates.I think I ran foul of you by posting my opinon on the issue of genocide .And obviously my opinions on US foreign policy does not go down well with you. These are two controvershial issues which can inject a certain amount of heat into a debate .It is a pity that someone who makes use of research and reliable evidence as debating tools should in this case rely on emotion. Slan
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