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Post by Diane Merkel on Sept 22, 2005 20:43:18 GMT -6
She doesn't.
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Post by alfuso on Sept 23, 2005 7:40:03 GMT -6
Sorry. I must have misunderstood LMC's post. alfuso
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Post by Diane Merkel on Apr 19, 2006 15:00:29 GMT -6
Congratulations to Rosemary! The National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum in Oklahoma City announced its 2005 winners in 12 categories of music, film, television and literature. Winners will be honored at a gala April 22.
Winner of the award for Outstanding Western Novel is Buffalo Calf Road Woman — The Story of a Warrior of the Little Bighorn, written by Rosemary Agonito and researched by Joseph Agonito. For the entire article: sports.espn.go.com/prorodeo/news/story?page=g_news_MuseumLitHonors_060418
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Post by dogsoldier on Apr 19, 2006 17:34:58 GMT -6
I checked out the link and came across the following: The following is the letter I wrote to the Magazine about this article. Re: Tragedy at Red Cloud Agency: The Surrender, Confinement, and Death of Crazy Horse (Montana The Magazine of Western History, Summer 2005) To the Editorial Staff of Montana The Magazine of Western History: Having finished reading the above-mentioned article, I feel it necessary to write this letter and question the judgment and historical ability of the author, Jeffrey V. Pearson, and editorial staff. On the bottom of page 19 Mr. Pearson brings us to “the last day of August” [August 31st]. On page 20 we go back in time to August 30th. Continuing, on page 20, column 2, the author writes “The next morning Crazy Horse returned to Camp Robinson…” Based on the story, we must now be back to August 31st. The following paragraph states, “The following morning Bradley sent a telegram to Fort Laramie to requisition additional cavalry troops.” Naturally, the reader will assume this brings us to September 1st. But upon inspecting the footnote (#30), it states the telegram was sent August 31st. The story is now becoming impossible to follow. Clearly, it is either poorly researched or Mr. Pearson has been lost in a quagmire of days and dates. The reader has no choice but to scratch his head in wonder and question Mr. Pearson’s research and writing skills. Most stories are told linearly. Sometimes there is a need to go backwards or forwards in time for clarity. This was not one of them [from August 31st to the 30th and back again]. It has the negative effect of altering our conception of these events because our minds sort out information in the sequence that the events were written. In this case, it didn’t aid the story in any helpful manner. And to top it off, the question exists as to which day and date are being detailed in regards to the bottom of page 20 and top of page 21. Another questionable passage occurs on page 19, column 1: By mid-August [1877] several of his [Crazy Horse’s] subchiefs had relocated to the camps of agency bandleaders to ensure their families received their biweekly rations. Notable among these were He Dog and Little Big Man, who supposedly left following a dispute over a woman. According to Chips, Crazy Horse’s medicine man, Crazy Horse and Little Big Man “got in a fight over it and were never friends again.”
From reading the above, the reader is led to believe that the above-mentioned dispute took place in August of 1877 and resulted in Little Big Man relocating his family. However in checking out the original source listed in footnote 20, it states no such thing. The following is the original source:
Crazy Horse, in camp, one time had forbidden Little Big Man to sleep with one of the squaws. They got into a fight over it and were never friends after that.
There is no mention anywhere that this “fight” took place in August of 1877. That appears to be Mr. Pearson’s creation. But this is a history magazine, not a fictional history magazine.
Again on page 23, column 1, the author writes “that Crazy Horse, Touch the Clouds, and several hundred warriors had prevented the village from taking flight and were on their way to the post [Camp Sheridan].” But in the following paragraph Pearson writes: “Major Burke planned a demonstration of his own to show that the military meant no harm and to convince Crazy Horse to return to Camp Sheridan.” But didn’t the author just state that Crazy Horse was already on his way to Camp Sheridan in the previous paragraph? Why does anyone have to convince him to go somewhere that he is already going on his own? And why use the word “return” when he wasn’t previously there to begin with? It’s all very confusing.
One last criticism follows. At the closing of the article (page 27, second to last paragraph) Pearson states “Bat Pourier was listening to Woman’s Dress outside his line of sight.” His reference for this information is listed in footnote 63. In checking the original it states
Pourier unexpectedly appeared, his presence in the neighborhood not being known. Garnett appealed to him and recited what Woman’s Dress had said. Pourier asked Woman’s Dress if that was what he said, ‘Yes,’ was the answer.
Pearson created a scene whereby Pourier overheard a conversation. The original version was that Pourier “unexpectedly appeared” and that Garnett had to repeat what Woman’s Dress had said. There was no eavesdropping.
I have not had time to review every single footnote and confirm every fact and sequence of events contained in this article. I wonder what that would turn up?
Perhaps the average reader will not care about any of the errors or points of contention I have outlined above. But isn’t this how history is compromised, one little fact at a time, until there is a new truth? I am very disappointed.
Montana The Magazine of Western History should have higher standards of research and fact checking.
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Post by mort aux vaches on Apr 20, 2006 17:36:30 GMT -6
I guess this topic is sadly outdated now, but for the sake of the thread I guess someone should mention that the Cheyenne Buffalo Calf Woman (Mochi) and Buffalo Calf Road Woman are, as far as I know, two different persons. The German family murder and capture is pretty wellknown and are indeed one of the uglier incidents of the Red River War.
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Post by crzhrs on Apr 21, 2006 12:50:27 GMT -6
mort:
There is a White Buffalo Calf Woman who is part of Lakota mythology. She brought the sacred calf pipe to the Sioux. Is that who you speak of when you say Mochi.
Then there is the Cheyenne Buffalo Calf Road Woman who saved her brother at the Rosebud and now the Northern Cheyenne have revealed may have inflicted a mortal wound to Custer at the LBH.
BCRW is one of 6 documented woman warriors at the LBH and since Custer attacked the far end of the village which contained the Northern Cheyenne who knows what she may have done . . .
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Post by mort aux vaches on Apr 21, 2006 15:11:37 GMT -6
Hi!
My response was to the posts made by scout where he mentioned the attack on the German family. This occured in the Red River War (in '74 if memory serves me right) and one of the attacking Southern Cheyennes was named Buffalo Calf Woman. This warrior woman is not identical to Buffalo Calf Road Woman of the Rosebud fight (hence it shouldn't have been mentioned in this topic).
Buffalo Calf Woman (Mochi is another name she went under in my sources) was the wife of Southern Cheyenne war chief Medicine Water. As far as I know she was sent to Ft. Marion together with other POW's after the Red River War.
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Post by inkpaduta1981 on Sept 9, 2006 13:22:27 GMT -6
The Northern Cheyenne Buffalo Calf Road Woman was married to Black Coyote. So she and Mochi are two different persons.
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Post by tonyinspain on Sept 10, 2006 16:46:36 GMT -6
Sorry i might be a bit late in this just read the article but didnt bcrw rescue her brother on the rosebud fight and im pretty sure Black kettle was killed at the Washita not at Sandcreek as the article claims. I read somewhere she fought at LBH regarding the bravery of the warriors not letting her be first into battle or they were cowards. I AGREE WITH MOST OF YOU THAT WE ALL LIKE FICTION BUT IT SOUND A BIT TWILIGHT ZONE TO ME.you should not use characters out of history and place them in a situation thats no where near the truth . might be wrong but its my opinion. tony
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Post by crzhrs on Sept 18, 2006 9:36:09 GMT -6
Kate Big Head stated that BCBW was a well-known warrior and not only fought at the Rosebud but at the LBH . . . the Northern Cheyenne stated that BCBW may have inflicted a wound to Custer during the battle. Regardless of that is true she is definately a true-to-life person and was well respected as a fighter.
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Post by Melani on Sept 19, 2006 16:46:27 GMT -6
Well, I like historical fiction and shall read the book with enjoyment. I will decide whether I like it or not after I finish it. I recently read a novel that someone described as the best Custer fiction he'd ever read, and I didn't care for it much, so I guess everyone has different taste. I think historical fiction, if it doesn't totally enter the realm of the impossible, is a good way to try to understand people and events in the past. Even if you don't agree with the author's point of view, it can set up a train of thought.
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