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Post by Diane Merkel on Dec 12, 2006 9:10:45 GMT -6
Thank you for the photos. Maybe we should have an extra main thread for the southern plains or other indian tribes, Diane? That's a great idea, Dietmar! I've created a new board under the renamed category, "Other People, Places, and Events." I'd like to keep the discussions within the Indian Wars period if possible. |
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 12, 2006 9:29:03 GMT -6
GREAT! Thank you so much, Diane  |
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Post by inkpaduta1981 on Dec 12, 2006 9:46:04 GMT -6
The medal have no importance. Infact I have many Kiowa men's picture with medals on their chests, photographs taken in the 1870, medals given to chiefs and warriors during other occasions, other trails... Perhaps the man in the picture isn't White Horse, but I'm sure that he isn't Satanta/ White Bear. In the Satanta's biography written by Charles Robbins, there are not references about Satanta in Washington in 1863. I don't know how insert the photo in this forum  You have done a very clever thing, Diane!!!!! Thank you very much!!!!!!! |
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 12, 2006 10:56:13 GMT -6
You´re right, Charles Robinson III said nothing about the whole 1863 delegation and presented very few facts about Satanta before 1864 at all, which is very disappointing. Stan Hoig also denied that Satanta was a part of the delegation, but in a couple of books he cited White Bull as a delegation member, a name of no importance in Kiowa history.
Herman Viola is the author who stated in “Diplomats in Buckskin” that Satanta was among the delegates. To be honest, I instantly thought it is him, when I saw the picture the first time and was glad to be supported by Viola.
But you can never be too sure when dealing with those indian photographs and I am still open for any evidence…
In any case, the medal must have meant something to Satanta, he wears it in almost every photograph of him, even in prison in Texas.
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Post by charlie on Dec 12, 2006 11:21:59 GMT -6
Thank you, Dietmar, for the bio's. Without you this site don't is the same thing.....Hear me: i have find a probable and rare old paint to refer at chief JUH (Apache). I send it to Diane e-mail so she post it and you can see and comment. (i don't know to post image.....sorry).
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Post by inkpaduta1981 on Dec 12, 2006 11:41:37 GMT -6
The watercolor of Juh is in the booklet written by Dan Thrapp: "Juh, an Incredible Indian", and it was made by Mrs. Mary P. G. Deveruex in january 1881 at the subagency near Fort Thomas.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Dec 12, 2006 22:12:54 GMT -6
I don't know how insert the photo in this forum You have done a very clever thing, Diane!!!!! Thank you very much!!!!!!! Thank you, inkpaduta! It's been a long time since one of you guys called me clever.  If you have the photo on your computer, you can e-mail it to me at LBHA@cox.net. I will post it for you. |
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Post by Diane Merkel on Dec 12, 2006 22:15:19 GMT -6
Hear me: i have find a probable and rare old paint to refer at chief JUH (Apache). I send it to Diane e-mail so she post it and you can see and comment. (i don't know to post image.....sorry). I posted in on the new board called "Other Indian Tribes" before I saw the discussion here. Sorry! |
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Post by charlie on Jan 15, 2007 11:37:50 GMT -6
I'm sure that in 1863 delegation in Washington there was also the great chief YELLOW WOLF
(died in Sand Creek-1864). Why don't exsist photos of him together the other Cheyenne Chiefs (War Bonnet, Standing in the Water & Lean Bear)? He was as important as them, i think. Can anyone to reply? Thank you.
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Post by shatonska on Jan 15, 2007 13:30:07 GMT -6
I'm sure that in 1863 delegation in Washington there was also the great chief YELLOW WOLF (died in Sand Creek-1864). Why don't exsist photos of him together the other Cheyenne Chiefs (War Bonnet, Standing in the Water & Lean Bear)? He was as important as them, i think. Can anyone to reply? Thank you. i made the same mistake , tha man in the delegation is YELLOW WOLF a Kiowa not YELLOW WOLF the cheyenne in the general photo is sitted in te front row , first to the right , but he is a kiowa |
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Post by Dietmar on May 9, 2007 1:12:18 GMT -6
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Post by grahamew on May 9, 2007 5:10:33 GMT -6
Any date for this, Dietmar?
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Post by Dietmar on May 10, 2007 9:43:16 GMT -6
The text at ebay only says early 1870s... |
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Post by grahamew on May 10, 2007 11:15:04 GMT -6
So... 1880s?!
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Post by grahamew on Aug 24, 2007 1:58:01 GMT -6
Here's a Cross photo that I guess Diane will have to resize, but the detail in this shot is intyeresting: Swift Bear and wife outside his tipi:  And a view of Sitting Bull's camp at Fort Randall, also by Cross, but not a shot I was familiar with: the officer of the day makes his inspection  |
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