W. R. Cross photographs

[Dietmar]

Agnes, I was away a couple of days, but anyway to your question: my scans of the Cross photos are from a catalogue of Be-Hold Auctions www.be-hold.com

Thanks Bob, I never heard of Whites Paints His Ears, but a great photo.

Unfortunately there are many mistakes in the inscriptions of Cross´ photographs, so it´s hard to tell if it is really Opealis or Red Skirt. The Red Skirt with John Sans Arc looks different, I think too.

[agnes]

Dietmar,
Thanks for the link.
Surely Red Skirt in Lakota isn't Opealis.

[Dietmar]

I found these photographs also at the Be-Hold site. All were made by W. R. Cross.

The first was labeled "Spotted Elk, prisoner killed missionary and wife" in pen on verso. Actually it shows the Brule Hollow Horn Bear and possibly Lt. Jesse M. Lee, the military agent at Spotted Tail agency. This is worth a look, because you can see a rather young Hollow Horn Bear, who was one of the few Brules at the LBH battle!!

Hollow Horn Bear & Jesse M. Lee


The next photo was labeled "Touch the Cloud". But in my opinion he is not the Touch the Cloud we see in the 1877 delegation photos, if he is really called by this name at all. He also looks not like the Cheyenne men named TTC. Who is he??

Touch the Cloud (?)


I am not sure if the next photo has been posted before, but it is a good example of the mistakes made by Cross. He gives the name "Leaping Panther". But is is more likely that this is the Sans Arc "Spotted Eagle"

Spotted Eagle

Best wishes
Dietmar

[hans54]

Dietmar,

Excellent photographs, especially the early one of Hollow Horn Bear, which has been totally unknown to me! Thanks a lot.

Your second picture is a portrait of Horned Antelope, a Brule from Spotted Tail Agency. He was in the group escorting Crazy Horse back from Spotted Tail to Camp Robinson, to his death.

Your Spotted Eagle identification is correct.

Hans Karkheck

[buffaloman]

Dietmar-

These are all wonderful photos from Be-Hold. The first is one of the few photographs of a Sioux man wearing a capote.

The Beinecke Library have a number of W.R. Cross photos including an image of your 2nd photo. Theirs is identified as Horned Antelope.

beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_crosscollex/brbldl/oneITEM.asp?pid=2015246&iid=1067043&srchtype=

The man with the knife club and scalp necklace is indeed Spotted Eagle. There is another photo of him taken at the same time on the Denver Public Library web site.



-Bob

[grahamew]

Great photos, Dietmar.

[Dietmar]

Thank you all, especially Hans and Bob for identifying Horned Antelope and delivering the Beinecke link!

Dietmar

[ephriam]

The Cross photograph posted above is number 37 in Cross' series "New Spotted Tail Agency", identified as "Hollow Horn Bear and Lieutenant Baxter". This series appear to have all been taken in 1878.

Baxter replaced Lieut. William Philo Clark as head of the Indian Scouts at the agencies.

ephriam

[charlie]

Hello.I'm a new member.I love this site and his members (especially Dietmar, Grahamew and
Ephriam for them competence). I love Indian Chiefs. I ask to you: the image of Little Thunder
correspond to Little Thunder (Brulè) attacked by Military at Ash Hollow in 1855? I never see image of him. Is him? I would know if exist photos or painting of these famous Chiefs:
BLACK MOON (Hunkpapa) - TALL BULL (Cheyenne) - MINIMIC (Cheyenne) - GRAY BEARD (Cheyenne) - JUH (Apache) - ULZANA (Apache) - LAME DEER (Minneconjou) - NUCKED HEAD (Nez Percè) - LEAN BEAR (Cheyenne) - KAMIAKIN (Yakima).
Where can i to find images of them? Sorry for my little English..... Charlie

[grahamew]

Kamiakin


Possibly Ulzana at far right.

[buffaloman]

Hello Charlie-

There are at least a half dozen photos of Lean Bear and a couple of Minimic I am aware of.

Minimic was photographed by either W.R. Bliss or Will Soule leaning against a buffalo robe in the late 1860s or early 70s.



Also wearing a war bonnet with his son, Howling Wolf, when they were prisoners at Ft. Marion.



Lean Bear was a member of the Cheyenne delegation to Washington in1863 and his image taken at various points during the trip by different photographers. He wears a distinctive shirt in all these photos that I recently discovered still exists in a museum in Ohio.

















-Bob

[grahamew]

So the painting I HAD posted was of Howling Wolf... That was the photo I couldn't find. Thanks, Buffaloman.

Isn't there a photo Of Lean Bear wearing shoes from that visit to Washington? Maybe it's one of the men with him...

[buffaloman]

It was War Bonnet that was photographed wearing shoes at Mathew Brady's New York studio in April 1863 after the Cheyenne delegation's visit with Abraham Lincoln in Washington. Kiowa chief, Yellow Buffalo, was also photographed wearing shoes. I imagine all the delegates were given shoes and probably a suit of "white-man" clothes by the U.S. Government or possibly P. T. Barnum, but I've never seen a photograph of Lean Bear wearing shoes.

[charlie]

WOW! That wonderful images! Thank you very much, Buffaloman and Grahamew, to have posted them. I never see before. I hope, if you can, that you send me also images (if exsist) of other chiefs that i have required. Can you also reply to my question on Little Thunder? Hello. Charlie

[shatonska]

buffaloman said:

Yellow Wolf sitted first row far right ,beside Lean Bear