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Post by Diane Merkel on May 14, 2005 19:22:41 GMT -6
An LBHA member would appreciate some help with his research. Thanks in advance, Diane[/color] Do you have the birth and death information on Chief Spotted Eagle? Also, I have discovered that there might have been two Sioux with the name Spotted Eagle, one possibly a Brule and the other a Sans Arc.
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Post by Ephriam Dickson on May 15, 2005 9:27:15 GMT -6
Diane:
At the time of his surrender in 1881, Spotted Eagle (Wanbli Gleska) gave his age as 58, suggesting that he was born about 1823.
I do not have a Brule Spotted Eagle in my research notes. May I ask what your source is?
Ephriam
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 15, 2005 11:01:40 GMT -6
Thanks, Ephriam, I was hoping you would respond to this. If you don't mind, I would like to give your e-mail address to our member (please let me know if that is OK). He is a serious, published scholar. The Newsletters are in the mail to you. Thank you again for an excellent article! I look forward to publishing more from you.
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Post by shatonska on May 16, 2005 6:43:58 GMT -6
Diane: At the time of his surrender in 1881, Spotted Eagle (Wanbli Gleska) gave his age as 58, suggesting that he was born about 1823. I do not have a Brule Spotted Eagle in my research notes. May I ask what your source is? Ephriam surely the father of the san arc chief who fought at the lbh , a photo of this man show him as no more than 30 years old in the about 1880 |
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Post by Don Blake on May 16, 2005 11:53:34 GMT -6
I have to say, I had him in his forties. Wasn't Scorched Earth his son? There are Huffman photos of the two of them and in one, the younger man wears the same shirt as the older - of course, the shirt could be a prop... There's another photo I've seen that is allegedly of Spotted Eagle; he's standing with several others and some whites (including some NWMP and a Red River cart in front of his camp) and, judging from the dress, Metis. He carries his three blade knife club and is wearing a coat and dark trousers/leggings. The photo is on display at Wood Mountain Post and is captioned as Spotted Eagle and his camp; however, I've seen the photo labeled as a Cree camp. If anyone knows the picture, do you have more information?
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Post by Don Blake on May 16, 2005 12:04:14 GMT -6
Sorry; that was meant to say Scorched Lightning!  |
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Post by Ephriam Dickson on May 16, 2005 21:06:12 GMT -6
Thank you everyone for noticing the discrepency in age relative to the known photographs. I spent several hours this afternoon going back to the agency census records to see where the problem was. Turns out there were several different men named Spotted Eagle and I had gotten them confused!
The prominent Sans Arc headman Spotted Eagle shows up in the 1886 census records for Cheyenne River Agency, giving his age as 52 (born circa 1834). His age is the same in the 1891 agency census. His son is listed as Spotted Eagle Jr. According to the ration records, this Spotted Eagle shows up at the Standing Rock Agency with a band of 402 people in mid-July 1881. He however disappears from the ration list by late August, presumably he and some of his relatives left for the Cheyenne River Agency. (That is why he does not appear in the Standing Rock Agency census dated September 1881.) Regrettably, the Cheyenne River Agency records are very sketchy -- there are no census records between 1877 and 1886 to confirm that this is what happened. Spotted Eagle does appear in the 1886 census at Cheyenne River Agency.
The older Spotted Eagle that I listed earlier was actually another man, a Hunkpapa who surrendered with Sitting Bull in 1881. He was then sent to Fort Randall with Sitting Bull as a POW in September 1881 and returned with him to Standing Rock in May 1883. By 1885, he is listed in High Bear's band at Standing Rock.
Finally, there is a third Spotted Eagle who lived among the friendly Minneconjou (Little No Heart's band) at Cheyenne River Agency during 1876-77. He also shows up in the Cheyenne River Agency 1886 census.
I hope that helps clear up the confusion!
Ephriam
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Post by Don Blake on May 17, 2005 12:46:10 GMT -6
Are you familiar with this photo? Does it show Spotted Eagle or is this a group of Cree? Anyone know for sure? Some of the clothing looks a little later than the Canadian sojourn...  |
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Post by shan on May 29, 2005 7:25:28 GMT -6
Don, that is an interesting photo you posted, I tried to zoom in on it to get a closer look at the faces, but my computor skills are zilch and I couldn't manage it. it did prompt this question though. I have never seen any photographs relating to the refugee Sioux in Canada, are there any, and if so, where can one get to see them?
Shan.
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Post by shan on May 29, 2005 7:31:18 GMT -6
Ephriam,
You say that the Cheyenne River agency records are non-existent between 1877--1886, but note that Spotted Eagle was listed in 1886. You obviously have acess to the record for that year, do you know if Low Dog is mentioned?
thanks, Shan.
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Post by Ephriam Dickson on May 29, 2005 8:01:44 GMT -6
Shan: The best photographs from the Canadian exile were taken by Thomas G. N. Anderton (1848-1913). He was a member of the Northwest Mounted Police, posted at Fort Walsh from 1876-79, probably then at Fort McLeod until his discharge in May 1880. You can see some of his photographs at the Glenbow Archives (link below). Just type in Anderton in photographer box and hit enter. Enjoy! ww2.glenbow.org/search/archivesPhotosSearch.aspxEphriam |
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Post by Don Blake on May 29, 2005 8:22:33 GMT -6
There are some in this book, (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874804612/qid=1117374617/sr=1-15/ref=sr_1_0_15/202-1988128-1412665), and in the thread on Low Dog, there is reference to a photo of Long Dog which was taken in Canada (I'm pretty sure it's available on the Glenbow Museum website. Like I said, I've seen this labelled as a Cree camp on a website devoted to Canadian Indians - unfortunately, I can't remember the address! I'm not convinced about the appearance of some of the Indians - the hairstyle of the man in the centre. I wonder if the Spotted Eagle identification is based solely on the club the man at the left is carrying. I'm assuming the dark-skinned men in the hats, jackets and trousers are Metis. If not I would have thought the clothing unlikely for essentially 'free' Lakota at the time, because he was back in the US in 1881. The Sitting Bull Indians at Fort Randall look rather more 'traditional' and they surrendered later. On the other hand, if they were relying on handouts...
I think there's a photo of a Lakota man from Sitting Bull's band sitting in a wikiup,stripped to breechclout and holding a customized rifle in Fleming and Luskey's The North American Indian in Early Photographs. I can't put my finger on the book and page number at the moment, but it was supposedly taken in Canada.
There are, I think, a couple of sketches done of Sitting Bull and his band in Utley's book on Sitting Bull.
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Post by Don Blake on May 29, 2005 8:25:41 GMT -6
There are some in this book, I Am Looking to the North for My Life: Sitting Bull, 1876-81 (Publications in the American West) Joseph Manzione (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0874804612/qid=1117374617/sr=1-15/ref=sr_1_0_15/202-1988128-1412665), and in the thread on Low Dog, there is reference to a photo of Long Dog which was taken in Canada (I'm pretty sure it's available on the Glenbow Museum website. Like I said, I've seen this labelled as a Cree camp on a website devoted to Canadian Indians - unfortunately, I can't remember the address! I'm not convinced about the appearance of some of the Indians - the hairstyle of the man in the centre. I wonder if the Spotted Eagle identification is based solely on the club the man at the left is carrying. I'm assuming the dark-skinned men in the hats, jackets and trousers are Metis. If not I would have thought the clothing unlikely for essentially 'free' Lakota at the time, because he was back in the US in 1881. The Sitting Bull Indians at Fort Randall look rather more 'traditional' and they surrendered later. On the other hand, if they were relying on handouts... I think there's a photo of a Lakota man from Sitting Bull's band sitting in a wikiup,stripped to breechclout and holding a customized rifle in Fleming and Luskey's The North American Indian in Early Photographs. I can't put my finger on the book and page number at the moment, but it was supposedly taken in Canada. There are, I think, a couple of sketches done of Sitting Bull and his band in Utley's book on Sitting Bull. |
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Post by Don Blake on May 29, 2005 8:27:32 GMT -6
D'Oh! Sorry about that, I thought I was editing the original post, but evidently not - I have included the name of the book this time, though.  |
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Post by Don Blake on May 29, 2005 8:45:47 GMT -6
Here is a photo of Long Dog taken in Canada  and a photo of Spotted Eagle different from the two more familiar photos  (the Huffman photos: in one he wears an ornate buckskin shirt (is it Crow?) that Scorched Lightning wears another Huffman shot; in the other, he wears a blanket over his shoulder - possibly the same blanket Rain in the Face has over his shoulder in the Huffman photo from the same period). Anyone know when this picture of Spotted Eagle was taken or who took it? Huffman? Back to the photo of the village above, the knife club was failr strongly associated with the Lakota, wasn't it? I don't recall seeing any photos of Crees carrying them. |
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