American Horse

[grahamew]

The Pawnees are there too, so it must be from that tour. Now I come to think of it, I've seen at least one other tour of the Indians 'in camp' from that tour.


See lbha.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=Indians&action=display&thread=1199230717 for another picture of AH's possible involvement with Cody; this time in 1889.

American Horse was photographed with Cody and Red Cloud during the 1897 tour at Madison Square Gardens by David Barry. Rc and AH were east on business, however, not with the show.



See: www.bbhc.org/bbm/biographyBB.cfm

[grahamew]

American Horse by Burbank
www.harvard-diggins.org/Burbank/Burbank_Among_The_Indians/Burbank_Among_the_Indians.htm


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[jinlian]

Hi Graham, and thanks for the link to the Burbank portrait. It's a pity Burbank left us an account of Cheyenne American Horse and not of our Lakota...

Re, the picture of Red Cloud and American Horse, it was taken for some advertising posters (as reported by Goodyear in his book on Red Cloud) together with other photos, one on horseback and another one with the whole cast. I'll try to post them later. Here's a better, albeit B&W version of the pic:



Best,

[grahamew]

Strange, isn't it, because the portrait is clearly the Lakota.

[grahamew]

Is the Godkin the earliest American Horse portrait, or was the 1877 delegation earlier> When was he working? It can't have been much later than 77 or 78.

Here's the rather famous American Horse-Red Cloud photo taken 1890-1, I believe.




And another from 1897:

[jinlian]

Hi Graham,

Burbank made portraits of both the Cheyenne and the Lakota American Horse, but strangely he didn't left any account of the latter. Probably, he wasn't too impressed or American Horse's name at the time didn't stir the excitement that Geronimo or Red Cloud's would make ;-)

I don't have specific information about Godkin's activity, but yes, in that portrait AH looks quite the same he does in the 1877 delegation picture, at least if you mean this one:



The last of the Red Cloud-American Horse pictures you've posted was taken on January 1891 near Deadwood.

Best,

[kingsleybray]

In a rush but I wanted to say that the earliest photo including American Horse, that I'm aware of, is the one taken during the 1875 delegation visit to Washington, featuring leaders from Red Cloud, Spotted Tail, and Cheyenne River agencies, outside the Treasury Building. American Horse is seated on the ground in the front row. An easy one for somebody to upload, but I'm outofhere . . .

Kingsley Bray

[jinlian]

Thank you for the info, Kingsley. I hope somebody will post it, as I've never seen it. I've the one of the 1888 delegation (taken on the steps of the Capitol) but I've to scanner it...maybe in the next days.

[Dietmar]

The 1875 delegation photo had already been posted in the "Identification of Indians"-thread. Please look there for a higher resolution picture.



Greetz

Dietmar

[jinlian]

Hi Dietmar and thanks for uploading the picture. Actually, I knew it (for some reasons, I was sure it was taken in1877 too, but my memory was blatantly wrong) having seen it in Sprague's book "Cheyenne River Sioux, South Dakota", the only difference is that the book states it was taken at Fort Bennett, not outside the Treasury Building in Washington- a goof by Sprague, maybe?

Thanks,

J.

p.s. among other things, Sprague doesn't give the identification of the Indian as American Horse for certain and offers "Bad Wound" as an alternative (I should add that the book's picture doesn't have the writing with the names of the various delegation members) even if the man looks just like AH in, for instance, the picture of the whole 1877 delegation at the White House

[Dietmar]

Yes, some identifications are uncertain, but when I first saw the photo years ago I instantly thought the man sitting second from left in the front row is American Horse.

I always wondered if this is really the only photograph taken of the 1875 delegation. Why are there no single portraits like in 1872? It´s a shame

[kingsleybray]

Hi Gang

The front row of the 1875 shot are all Oglalas, from left to right:

Iron Horse
American Horse
Bad Wound
wife of Bad Wound
Black Bear

Bad Wound (Southern Oglala, Tasnahecha tiyoshpaye) is the son and namesake of the chief who was prominent in the 1850s and '60s. Black Bear was another headman in the Southern Oglala (or Kiyaksa oshpaye). He belonged to the extended family group (tiyoshpaye) known as Iwayusota (Uses Up with the Mouth).

Hope this helps

Kingsley

[Dietmar]

Wow, yes it helps enormously. Thank you Kingsley. I have spend hours watching this photo.

So far, these are the individuals I have names for:

Standing far left:
Major Bingham, White Swan (aka Little Swan, Minicoujou)

standing back row:
William Felder, Rattling Ribs (Two Kettle), Long Mandan (Two Kettle), Lone Horn (Minicoujou), Sitting Bull (Oglala), Spotted Tail (Brule), unidentified, Mark Wells, Swift Bear (Brule), Little Wound (Oglala), William Garnett, Pawnee Killer?? (Oglala)

sitting middle row:
unidentified, Martin Charger (Sans Arc), Spotted Elk/Big Foot (Minicoujou), unidentified, He Dog (Brule), Ring Thunder?? (Brule)

I also don´t know who are the two Lakota standing far right. Perhaps Four Bears (Two Kettle) farest right?

Could you please fill in the blanks?

Thanks again

Dietmar

[jinlian]

Hi Kingsley, Dietmar, everybody,

here's the picture from Sprague's book, and the related commentary for what's worth.

[kingsleybray]

Hi Dietmar and friends

From memory the guy to the right of Spotted Tail is Face (also known as Scalp Face). He is Oglala, headman in both the Wichiska (White Packstrap) and the Omaha men's societies. The former society was acting as the Red Cloud Agency akichita or police force in 1874-75; the Omaha society maintained order at the agency beef issues.

The fellow seated in the second row, extreme left, is Red Skirt (Miniconjou). He, (Martin) Charger (next right: Sans Arc), and Spotted Elk (next right: Miniconjou) are all from Cheyenne River Agency. Behind them stand, l. to r. White Swan (Miniconjou: Glaglahecha band, fellow in trailer headdress at left); Rattling Ribs (Two Kettle-maybe Sihasapa also?); Tall Mandan (Two Kettle; I have the tiyoshpaye affiliation, but need to check); Lone Horn (Miniconjou: Wakpokiyan band, adoptive father of Spotted Elk/Big Foot). This bloc of chiefs all from Cheyenne River.

To the right of Spotted Elk (or Big Foot) in the second row are three Brule (Spotted Tail Agency) head akichita, all wearing warbonnets: l. to r. Crow Dog, He Dog (not the Oglala), Ring Thunder.

The guy in the trailer headdress (and boots!) standing at the right is Fast Thunder (Oglala), who may have also been Wichiska society leader (debate on the headdress??). Standing behind him, head visible above Fast Thunder's headdress, is Pawnee Killer (Southern Oglala, Tapislecha tiyoshpaye). At extreme right, standing, is Shoulder (Oglala, band affiliation not known).

Major Bingham and William Fielder are the agent and interpreter, respectively, from Cheyenne River Agency. The man standing to the left of Shoulder is one of the Janises. I'm afraid my memory is misfiring on his first name - maybe check SIRIS; the photo is in the NAA-Smithsonian with full identifications.

Toksa

Kingsley