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Post by tubman13 on Mar 3, 2014 10:17:52 GMT -6
Horse soldiers, Air Cav., and 3rd Cav. Stryker Veh
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 3, 2014 11:07:38 GMT -6
Tom I have tried to fill in the gaps between your photos (which were very good by the way) 7th Cavalry Arizona 1940 Fighting on foot on Leyte 1944
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Post by quincannon on Mar 3, 2014 11:37:39 GMT -6
For God's sake don't let Fred see the Adelita getting what looks like the Air Medal in Tom's middle photo. It might also be a DFC. Just to far away to tell.
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Post by fred on Mar 3, 2014 12:20:45 GMT -6
It is the damn Air Medal. grumble, grumble, grumble. I had the qualifications for one and never put in for it. Back then it was 50 hours combat air time. I had 52 1/2.
Medals mean a lot more to an old man than they did to me back then. I do object to her wearing that hat, though. When the cab did away with those old-time units, there were no women in the cavalry. Fearsome broad, though. I certainly wouldn't want to come to grips with her! Sorry... I know most of you think it's fine... and that's OK with me... I just can't take it seriously though.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 12:39:54 GMT -6
Fred,
Imagine the replies you'd have received had you said: fearsome squaw.
Insert icon for ... hell, I forgot! (me not you)
Best, c.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 3, 2014 12:48:27 GMT -6
Fred I think you would take it very seriously if you were looking at her in the business end of an Apache or Kiowa Warrior.
Let the cavalry play with their toys. I will stick to my tried and true Orde Wingate autographed pith helmet every time. By the way in at least the 3rd Cavalry, when it was here, those hats were awarded by passing a series of very difficult field tests, not unlike the EIB, not just given out.
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 3, 2014 13:30:19 GMT -6
QC, they still have to go before a Spurs Board!
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 3, 2014 13:31:31 GMT -6
What I am saying, the hats are not a party favor!
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Post by quincannon on Mar 3, 2014 14:42:55 GMT -6
Tom: I think the criteria differs from unit to unit. The 3rd ACR when it was here had a field test and a board. The successful candidate was awarded spurs and hat, and no it was not a party favor. It means something to them. A right of passage. I have no objection at all. The harder the training, the more competent the leaders, the better the Army
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Post by fred on Mar 3, 2014 15:29:07 GMT -6
Fred I think you would take it very seriously if you were looking at her in the business end of an Apache or Kiowa Warrior. Actually, Chuck, I don't have an issue with that. When it has come up for discussion, I have long been an advocate for women pilots. Hell, their history of flight is as impressive as men's and I feel they can handle themselves just fine in those machines: Air Force or Army. And please don't ever get me wrong: I have no issues with females when it comes to brains and bravery. Looking at that picture, it never occurred to me she would be a pilot. It's other jobs I have issues with. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 3, 2014 17:30:31 GMT -6
I guess it is all what you become used to Fred. Looking at that picture it would have never occurred to me that she was not a pilot. It is not uncommon to see so many young female Officers/Warrant Officers wearing flight suits when I go to the PX or any of the other facilities at Carson that is has become commonplace. Fifty years from now, probably sooner, no one will pay any attention to it at all. Most don't now, if you are around the Army or Air Force. It is only those who have never been or who have been away so long that even raise an eyebrow.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 3, 2014 17:34:41 GMT -6
I see that tensions are still high in the Ukraine, which funny enough brings me to my next little ditty;
A Ukrainian female named Lyudmila Pavlichenko sniper reputedly killed 309 men (soldiers) in WW2.
Going back to female pilots, the Russian again used them in WW2; they formed three air regiments which all the pilots and crews + plus the ground crews were all women. The 586th Fighter Aviation Regiment 46th Taman Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment 125th Guards Bomber Aviation Regiment
The 1077th AA Regiment which served at Stalingrad contained nearly all women. They even used Women as tank drivers.
Ian.
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 3, 2014 18:11:39 GMT -6
The Cavalry, over the last 60 years has become wholly integrated and inclusive. Not only with peoples and genders, but with weapon systems and means of getting to the fight. For the most part a very forward thinking group that has been supported by command and in many ways they have been allowed to think and act out of the box. This is as far as I can tell. My youngest son was deployed to Iraq/Kuwait as a medic, with the 2nd in 2008. A good group of guys, we received a Commanders News Letter every month, nice touch.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 3, 2014 18:57:15 GMT -6
Agree Tom, but what is really needed is marrying up the Strykers (or a Stryker type vehicle) with the combat and reconnaissance types from the Aviation Branch, putting the tankers where they belong with the Infantry, and creating a branch called Cavalry. In my dreams I know. There is nothing wrong with the Armor Branch that getting rid of tankers would not cure.
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Post by montrose on Mar 3, 2014 19:29:56 GMT -6
QC,
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