|
Post by dave on Mar 22, 2015 18:58:46 GMT -6
Tom What you gonna use for decoys? Old lap tops? Regards Dave
|
|
|
Post by quincannon on Mar 22, 2015 20:28:56 GMT -6
Tom: There was that secret meeting at Smoots, that HR has not discovered yet, that ironed out this whole thing, and the conclusion was that old man Fraughnaugh was secretly dispatched to sit in the tribal councils of the Sioux and Cheyenne, to get the hot skinny on the battle that was passed on to Whitaker, and the notes of those very proceedings turned up at Gerber's one rainy night in April of 44, when someone came down with a case of deep fry grease poisoning, they reached for the normal antidote and found those notes in an empty rotgut bottle. That is why area 26 if off limits to this very day, giving it the cover name of Cooke Camp. They are hidden there, and protected by unknown government agents.
Don't ask me what all this about, folks. If I told you I would have to kill you. Tom knows and he's not telling. You are doomed to never knowing, but when you see the mark of the flying Oriole, you will know there is Custer related skullduggery at work.
|
|
|
Post by Beth on Mar 22, 2015 21:53:13 GMT -6
QC I guess it is just like dealing with my wife, when I believe that if I try one more time she will see the logic in my point. Hard not to swat at those no see'em bugs, ye know. Regards Dave I have the same problem with my husbad. Beth
|
|
|
Post by Beth on Mar 22, 2015 22:04:06 GMT -6
Really? In his shirt pocket or in saddle bags? Or perhaps he was followed by a team of trained St. Bernards with toy barrels under their chins. Personally I would think everyone would have noticed if he was carrying around kegs of whiskey or beer. Where they gallons, firkins or perhaps he went for the whole hogshead? Beth
|
|
|
Post by Beth on Mar 22, 2015 22:11:18 GMT -6
Tom: There was that secret meeting at Smoots, that HR has not discovered yet, that ironed out this whole thing, and the conclusion was that old man Fraughnaugh was secretly dispatched to sit in the tribal councils of the Sioux and Cheyenne, to get the hot skinny on the battle that was passed on to Whitaker, and the notes of those very proceedings turned up at Gerber's one rainy night in April of 44, when someone came down with a case of deep fry grease poisoning, they reached for the normal antidote and found those notes in an empty rotgut bottle. That is why area 26 if off limits to this very day, giving it the cover name of Cooke Camp. They are hidden there, and protected by unknown government agents. Don't ask me what all this about, folks. If I told you I would have to kill you. Tom knows and he's not telling. You are doomed to never knowing, but when you see the mark of the flying Oriole, you will know there is Custer related skullduggery at work. It's also why every camp to this day has it's own Cooke
|
|
|
Post by herosrest on Mar 23, 2015 4:03:14 GMT -6
Really? In his shirt pocket or in saddle bags? Or perhaps he was followed by a team of trained St. Bernards with toy barrels under their chins. Personally I would think everyone would have noticed if he was carrying around kegs of whiskey or beer. Where they gallons, firkins or perhaps he went for the whole hogshead? Beth You're serious, I take it. Reno had a supply of whisky with the pack train. I do feel this is a perfect thread in which to illustrate the duplicity effected on behalf of Reno. The topic began thus - Reno can simply be substituted for Custer and pehaps some justice is done by castigating both men. Reno was thrown out of the army and he therefore could not be buried at Little Bighorn. This had nothing to do with the battle, the Colonel of 7th Cavalry brought Reno up for Court Martial and Reno was thrown out, of the army. He was a disgrace, disgraced. For some reason this did not happen to Custer. Reno actually messed up his sentencing - he had pulled a Belknap and requested to resign rather than have his record soiled and this was granted although Grant was no longer President, but he did not forward the resignation and was dismissed in disgrace. Reno CYA ran out.......... because of being kicked out of the army, he could not therefore be buried at LBH. The details of matters where CYA failed = query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9D06E6DC1F31EE3ABC4A53DFB266838B699FDE - Save Buffalo............. One of the reasons Elizabeth B. Custer, had issue with Maj. Reno - This is a truly sad reflection on the guy - query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9403E2D91338E533A25750C1A9649D94669FD7CF One can only mitigate that he really did blame Custer rather than his own failings, and was drinking and mouthing off. Pathetic for such to get in New York press. What was Reno thinking!
|
|
|
Post by tubman13 on Mar 23, 2015 5:11:54 GMT -6
HR, to your last statement below
"One can only mitigate that he really did blame Custer rather than his own failings, and was drinking and mouthing off. Pathetic for such to get in New York press. What was Reno thinking!"
If that last was a question, he was probably thinking the same thing Custer was, just before the bullet went through his brain. Oh $hit, how can this happen to me.
Lastly if Reno was not charged with drunkenness and convicted, he wasn't. Did he drink, probably, there were reports of it. Did he save the majority of his command? Yes. The charge, skirmish line, and withdrawal from the skirmish line were textbook for the day. Perfection, no.
Next time you are at the battlefield, check out the width of the valley he had to cover with the number of men he had. Tell me how you would do it.
Regards, Tom
|
|
|
Post by herosrest on Mar 23, 2015 9:05:29 GMT -6
First -Devolve command to French. Reno did this subsequently.
Second - Organise the scouts under Hare and Varnum to flank left out onto the hills and into the Garyowen loop towards the village.
Third - Delay advance until Varnum and Hare reported back.
Defend Ford A.
Get a message rapidly to Custer and Benteen and McD/Mathey - as soon as Varnum reported nightmare ahead.
Aren't hindsight and SOP a wonderful thing.
|
|
|
Post by Colt45 on Mar 23, 2015 9:21:52 GMT -6
HR, you say Reno violated orders by retreating from the timber. Now you say he should have defended ford A. His orders were to attack the village, there was nothing there about defending a ford. So, if he did as you suggested, wouldn't he be disobeying orders? Why would that disobedience be okay, but not his breakout and move to the hills?
|
|
|
Post by dave on Mar 23, 2015 9:29:30 GMT -6
Fellows Y'all are trying to catch smoke rings. The will o' wisp is every where and yet no where. Regards Dave
|
|
|
Post by herosrest on Mar 23, 2015 9:45:40 GMT -6
HR, you say Reno violated orders by retreating from the timber. Now you say he should have defended ford A. His orders were to attack the village, there was nothing there about defending a ford. So, if he did as you suggested, wouldn't he be disobeying orders? Why would that disobedience be okay, but not his breakout and move to the hills? Nothing wrong in scouting the advance as his companies assembled. Reno was no Custer and did not need to be out ahead braving it up. Advising Custer the village was immense, which the scouts would report (Varnum, Hare) jusified wait and advise, in a position from which he could continue and carry out the orders. That was initiative. The hostiles then faced dilemma of how to respond, we know that One Bull was sent out to parley. Message from Reno would reinforce that carried to Custer by Ree scout Stabbed. We know the message from Ree scout Soldier. From W.M. Camp interview - 'A messenger met the general, and Custer took off his buckskin coat and tied it on behind his saddle. Custer rode up and down the column talking to the soldiers. The soldiers cheered and some tied handkerchiefs around their heads and threw hats away. They gave a big cheer and went ahead, but my lazy old horse straggled behind. I saw where we had crossed the river, and I was long was behind the soldiers. There were other stragglers between me and Custer. The ones nearest to me were White Eagle and Bull. Stabbed was behind, came up behind me and explained that he had been out with a message to soldiers over to east (Benteen). Stabbed had a lot of Winchester cartridges in a feed bag, which he gave me to take along. He said there were many Sioux and there would be a big fight, and if he came back he would stay with me and we would make a stand. Stabbed had a Winchester. I had a long infantry gun with two bands. Added - My response was to a hypothetical by Tom - proceeding along such lines was CYA for Reno.Having engaged the hostiles as ordered. Reno was not at liberty to withdraw without requesting permission to so do. That is how it works or you accept court-martial. Fellows Y'all are trying to catch smoke rings. The will o' wisp is every where and yet no where. Regards Dave
|
|
|
Post by Colt45 on Mar 23, 2015 11:41:25 GMT -6
HR, I'm curious. Were you ever in the military?
|
|
|
Post by AZ Ranger on Mar 23, 2015 20:16:28 GMT -6
HR Reno is buried at the LBH battlefield cemetery. Regards AZ Ranger
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 3:15:10 GMT -6
HR Reno is buried at the LBH battlefield cemetery. View AttachmentRegards AZ Ranger 87 years after his death he was reinterred at LBH. He died a disgrace and an embarrassment. Took many years for his family to get his name cleared somewhat and got his remains move to LBH.
|
|
|
Post by tubman13 on Mar 24, 2015 5:29:03 GMT -6
Key words, "name cleared." Next thing we need to do is get Pete Rose reinstated.
|
|