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Post by Beth on Mar 28, 2015 16:07:13 GMT -6
Good Queen Bess eh or old Liz the first, Ivan the Terrible of Russia wanted her as his wife, imagine that! Ian. That would have had some interesting dynastic possiblities. Beth
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2015 16:21:44 GMT -6
All of which again raises that eternal question Flora Robson or Betty Davis
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Post by Beth on Mar 28, 2015 16:26:12 GMT -6
All of which again raises that eternal question Flora Robson or Betty Davis Bette of course. She could chew a man up and spit him out with a glance. Beth
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Post by shaw on Mar 28, 2015 17:03:29 GMT -6
Robson was great in Seahawk. Davis in Eizabeth and Essex and The Virgin Queen. They both had their moments.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 28, 2015 18:11:02 GMT -6
I tend to go with Robson.
Actually my favorite Davis movie is The Man Who Came To Dinner, with Now Voyager missing a win by a nose.
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Post by trumpeter43 on Apr 1, 2015 21:02:58 GMT -6
Curious as to why Cooke and Keogh were hanging out with Reno as he was crossing the river to start his attack. Should they have not been with Custer's command? Especially Keogh in charge of a Battalion?
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Post by dave on Apr 1, 2015 21:27:23 GMT -6
trumpeter43 Welcome to the board! Glad to have you here. As to why Reno, Keogh and Cooke were hanging together I have no idea and I don't think anyone else does either. From what little I know about the 7th Cavalry it was not the Army's A Team and it behaved accordingly. Custer treated his command as a combination boy's club and family business. Poorly prepared and poorly lead. Regards Dave
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Post by montrose on Apr 2, 2015 3:49:55 GMT -6
MAJ Reno led the advanced guard of a regimental attack. The advanced guard makes initial contact, and develops the situation. Then the main body deploys to optimize the attack.
Cooke went forward as LTC Custer's eyes and ears. His job was to gain situational awareness and take this information make to GAC, to allow a faster response. Keough went forward to conduct a leader's reconnaissance. When his Bn was committed, he wanted an idea of the terrain through which he would deploy.
Common military practice, and tactically sound.
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Post by dave on Apr 4, 2015 14:35:34 GMT -6
Montrose I stand corrected. Regards Dave
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Post by trumpeter43 on Apr 4, 2015 21:26:15 GMT -6
Lt. Cooke was the Adjutant who was the senior administrator or sometimes called the Officer in Charge. He would take notes on the orders, plans or division of troops made by the commander and issue written orders from the commanding officer to other subordinates. The written word of the commander so to speak.
Capt. Custer was Aide-de-Camp who was the personal assistant in the field with the commanding officer. He could also be sent as the commanders representative issuing verbal orders.
Either one of these officers could have been there checking on Reno.
A Major General would be allowed a Captain for an aide-de-camp. Using his Brevet Rank.
He had some good assistance.
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Post by quincannon on Apr 4, 2015 21:46:15 GMT -6
You are confusing the position, authorized by organizational document, of Adjutant, with the duty roster position of Officer of the Day.
The Adjutant speaks, and issues written communications with the authority of the commander. That authority is granted itself by written order.
Lieutenant Colonels in the United States Army are not authorized Aides, or an Aide de Camp. Custer was a Lieutenant Colonel. Still as a commander he could detail anyone to do anything, but don't assume Tom Custer was where he was because of a rank that used to be, and one that would not pay dividends until he received his first retirement check.
Custer could have sent anyone he wished to check on Reno, or issue him orders, presumably orders that would differ from those previously issued. Custer was the commander. The question is did he, and you were already given the most probable answer by Montrose
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Post by Yan Taylor on Apr 5, 2015 7:32:42 GMT -6
Interesting stuff as the military usually had a second to take over command in case the Co got incapacitated, it used to go in this order in the British army;
Battalion: Lt. Colonel (Co) Major (Xo) Captain (Adjutant) plus a Lieutenant as a Subaltern. Company: Major (Co) Captain (Xo) Platoon: Lieutenant (Commander) Platoon Sergeant (2/InC) Section: Corporal (Section Leader) Lance Corporal (Deputy Leader)
Ian.
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Post by Beth on Apr 5, 2015 10:13:05 GMT -6
I fear I may have asked this before but what was the chain of command for the 7th that day. Custer, Reno ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 10:20:05 GMT -6
I fear I may have asked this before but what was the chain of command for the 7th that day. Custer, Reno ? Custer, Reno, Benteen, Keogh
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Post by Yan Taylor on Apr 5, 2015 12:12:51 GMT -6
Beth I have posted this before but it was before you and a few of the new lads joined the board.
Officers in order of enlistment;
Lt. Col George A. Custer Commander (KIA) Major Marcus Reno
1/ Capt Fredrick Benteen (July/28/1866) Company H 2/ Capt Myles Keogh (July/28/1866) Company I (KIA) 3/ Capt George Yates (June/12/1867) Company F (KIA) 4/ Capt Thomas Weir (July/31/1867) Company D 5/ Capt Thomas French (March/26/1868) Company M 6/ Capt Myles Moylan (March/1/1872) Company A 7/ Capt Thomas Custer (December/2/1875) Company C (KIA) 8/ Capt Thomas McDougall (December/15/1875) Company B
1/ 1st Lt William W. Cooke (July/31/1867) Adjutant HQ Staff (KIA) 2/ 1st Lt Edward Godfrey (February/1/1868) Company K 3/ 1st Lt Algernon Smith (December/5/1868) Company E (KIA) 4/ 1st Lt Donald McIntosh (March/22/1870) Company G (KIA) 5/ 1st Lt Edward Mathey (May/10/1870) Company M (Pack Train Commander) 6/ 1st Lt J Calhoun (January/9/1871) Company L (KIA) 7/ 1st Lt Francis Gibson (July/11/1871) Company H 8/ 1st Lt James Porter (March/1/1872) Company I (KIA) 9/ 1st Lt Charles DeRudio (December/15/1875) Company A
1/ 2nd Lt Winfield Edgerly (June/15/1870) Company D 2/ 2nd Lt Benjamin Hodgson (June/15/1870) Company B (acting Adjutant to Reno) (KIA) 3/ 2nt Lt Henry M. Harrington (June/14/1872) Company C (KIA) 4/ 2nd Lt Charles Varnum (June/14/1872) Chief of Scouts (WIA) 5/ 2nd Lt G Wallace (June/14/1872) Company G 6/ 2nd Lt Luther Hare (June/17/1874) Company K (2nd in Command of Scouts) 7/ 2nd Lt James G. Sturgis (June/16/1875) Company E (KIA) 8/ 2nd Lt William Reily (January/26/1876) Company F (KIA) 9/ 2nd Lt John J. Crittenden (October/15/1875) ? Company L (KIA)
1st Lt Dr George E. Lord (KIA) Dr Henry R. Porter Dr James M. DeWolf (KIA)
The dates are when they got their commission. Ian.
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