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Post by Diane Merkel on Dec 14, 2006 9:06:27 GMT -6
Charlie would appreciate information on Running Bear.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 14, 2006 13:35:39 GMT -6
Charlie,
great photo! I have been wondering about this picture since I found it a while ago. I think it is labeled wrong.
I don´t believe this man is Sioux. From the breastplate he wears I would assume he is from the southern plains, although he has not cut his hair in Kiowa or Comanche style. Cheyenne? I also don´t believe he is a chief, because he is much too young.
Maybe someone else knows more?
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Post by grahamew on Dec 14, 2006 13:48:12 GMT -6
It's fair to assume the photo is from the mid 60s or later; therefore he couldn't have defeated "Colonel Baker" in 1854 because he looks far too young, although he may have taken part in a major 1854 fight as a teenager or boy - the Grattan debacle? Maybe someone can date the photo from the gun he's carrying.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 14, 2006 13:54:07 GMT -6
I am not a specialist in weapons, but isn´t it a Winchester model? I guess the photo could be from the 1870s.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 14, 2006 16:58:58 GMT -6
Which would make it impossible for him to have defeated "Colonel Baker" in 1854.
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Post by harpskiddie on Dec 14, 2006 18:47:34 GMT -6
It's either a Winchester or a Henry, so it appears to me, which means that the photograph probably dates sometime after 1866; and the young man does appear to be Cheyenne.
Gordie
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Post by shatonska on Dec 15, 2006 8:59:40 GMT -6
Winchester 66
a post 1870 photo
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Post by charlie on Dec 15, 2006 10:33:04 GMT -6
Unfortunately, i have only this information: Sioux Chief who defeated col. Baker in 1854. Studio portrait of a native american Sioux man,identified as Chief Running Bear.He has a blanket wrappet around his waist and shoulders,wears a long sleeve shirt,cloth bound braids,arm bands and a breastplate,and holds a rifle in his lap. Date:between 1860-1880. I ask: who was this wild and fierce man? For me,if he don't was a Chief,certainly was a great warrior!!! Looks at his face! And then: who was col. Baker? What important battle he fought in 1854? We cannot leave all that in the mistery!!!
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Post by apsalooka on Dec 15, 2006 11:18:17 GMT -6
I have this man listed as Hiding Bear, Arapaho.
Henri
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 15, 2006 11:47:40 GMT -6
That´s a good explanation to me, Southern Arapaho. Bedankt, Henri
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Post by grahamew on Dec 15, 2006 12:06:48 GMT -6
He's up on the Cowan's auction site as Hiding Bear, Southern Arapaho (c. 1880 - which I realise meams nothing!).
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 15, 2006 12:08:42 GMT -6
Sorry Charlie, I haven´t found a Col. Baker in 1854, yet. There were several incidents with Maj., Lt. and Col. Bakers in U.S. history, but not in 1854. I first thought of the Grattan fight, but there is no Baker ...and no Running Bear as well.
Dietmar
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Post by crzhrs on Dec 15, 2006 14:48:30 GMT -6
Is this the same Running Bear who loved Little White Dove? Anybody know what I'm talking about?
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Post by markland on Dec 15, 2006 18:19:42 GMT -6
Is this the same Running Bear who loved Little White Dove? Anybody know what I'm talking about? Sonny James....great minds think alike! ;D Merry Christmas, Billy
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Post by harpskiddie on Dec 15, 2006 18:51:57 GMT -6
Running Bear dove in the water, Little White Dove did the same..................
I can't find any Baker fight in 1854, which doesn't necessarily mean anything, since I don't have much of a library of that period, but I do remember passing by someplace called Baker's Battlefield, and I know it was not in Montana or Wyoming. So it was not the Eugene Baker who slaughtered the Piegans [was it 1870?]. I just can't remember where or when it was that I saw the reference.
Of course the date and particulars may be totally out of whack.
Gordie
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