Running Bear dove in the water, Little White Dove did the same..................
I can't find any Baker fight in 1854, which doesn't necessarily mean anything, since I don't have much of a library of that period, but I do remember passing by someplace called Baker's Battlefield, and I know it was not in Montana or Wyoming. So it was not the Eugene Baker who slaughtered the Piegans [was it 1870?]. I just can't remember where or when it was that I saw the reference.
Of course the date and particulars may be totally out of whack.
From Heitman; the only Baker that fits the profile:
Baker, Eugene Mortimer. N Y. N. Y. Cadet M A 1 July 1854 (12); bvt 2 It 2 drgs 1 July 1859; 2 lt 28 Feb 1860, 1 lt 7 May 1861, 1 cav 3 Aug 1861; rqm Dec 1861 to 16 Jan 1862; capt. 16 Jan 1862; maj 2 cav 8 Apr 1869; bvt maj 5 May 1862 for gal and mer ser at the battle of Williamsburg Va; lt col 19 Sept 1864 for gal and mer ser at the battle of Winchester Va and col 1 Dec 1868 for zeal and energv while in command of troops operating against hostile Inds in 1866 1867 and 1868: died 19 Dec 1884.
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I think the 1854 date is misleading. That Baker is same with Eugene M. Baker who as a major lead an unit to escort railroad surveyors along the Yellowstone River in 1872. For me Running Bear or Hiding Bear etc. would be a Sans Arc, and was photographed with Spotted Eagle at same time, judging from the background of their photos.
Well, Agnes, good point - perhaps not far off the mark. Whatever this man's name was, whatever tribe - he could just as well have been a Sans Arc or any other Northern Lakota, having just returned from Canadian sanctuary, maybe with Spotted Eagle or some other leader in the early 1880s. He looks every inch like these people.
There is nothing that would speak explicitly for a Southern Plains man. Dietmar, this breastplate is a "typical" Lakota, Northern Cheyenne or Upper Missouri object, being made of Dentalium shells and not of hair pipes, as far as I can discern from this portrait. These breastplates were still popular with both men and women on the Northern Plains, when Barry took his photographs. There are a lot of comparison views available.
Agnes, the photo of "Running Bear" does not reveal much of a background, thus making it hard to draw a line to the Spotted Eagle portraits. They have much of the same "air", however.
I know You from somewhere Please, excuse me, I forgot to attach a proper picture about Spotted Eagle. That were made before the surrender of Lakotas from Canada in 1880-1881. I thought for this picture:
His background is similar to the one in "Running Bear"'s photo. Probably these were made in same time. Probably in the 1870's.
Yes, the dentalium shell breastplates were quite popular among the Central Plains tribes and Fort Berthold people. More possible that this "Running Bear" fit to these areas.
The discussion in very interesting, but the doubts remain.....For a more complete information, i have found the photo here: WWW.DENVER.LIB.CO.US Then click on: western history & genealogy - photo search - continue - type in: Sioux chief and, in the results, to write: page 23 I have another question for the forum's friends: if exsist a photo or painting of Norther Cheyenne Chief YELLOW NOSE, Ute boy adopted by Spotted Wolf, a great warrior in the Little Big Horn battle. He living until 1915, then is very probably that he was photographed somewhere.....I never see him: anyone can help me? Thanks.
At the left of the picture above I think you can just make out Steps, the Nez Perce captive seen in Cross' photos of Sitting Bull's camp at Fort Randall, so supposing 'Hiding/Running Bear' was photographed at the same time as Spotted Eagle, this still wouldn't necessarily make him Sans Arc.
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Charlie would appreciate information on Running Bear.
I got this same photo my self and when I got it (don't remember where I got it in the first place anymore though...) it was named: Dentaliawanap ...does that help at all with the identifying? I have placed this guy under the Sans Arc Sioux with that name but I can't be 100% sure about it.... let me know if you ever find out more about this guy.
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